Promulgation of Airworthiness Directives.
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Promulgation of Airworthiness Directives.
After the 737 incident last week, CFM issued a service bulletin, the FAA turnise it into an Emergency AD.
FAA sends the data to EASA who issue their own almost identical AD on the same day.
Yet the CASA website AD's link simply publishes a link to the EASA AD. No CASA issued AD. Is an EASA issued AD applicable, enforceable to VH registered aircraft here in Oz. I was under the impression that each jurisdiction published their own AD's.
FAA sends the data to EASA who issue their own almost identical AD on the same day.
Yet the CASA website AD's link simply publishes a link to the EASA AD. No CASA issued AD. Is an EASA issued AD applicable, enforceable to VH registered aircraft here in Oz. I was under the impression that each jurisdiction published their own AD's.
It might be that it’s automatically an AD in Australia:
39.001A Definitions
In these Regulations:
airworthiness directive means:
(a) an Australian airworthiness directive; or
(b) a foreign State of Design airworthiness directive issued on or after 1 October 2009; or
(c) for a model of aircraft that is first registered in Australia on or after 1 October 2009—a foreign State of Design airworthiness directive issued before 1 October 2009 for that model or for an aeronautical product that is part of, or used in, that model.
Australian airworthiness directive means a document, as in force from time to time, issued by CASA under subregulation 39.001(1).
foreign State of Design airworthiness directive, for a kind of aircraft or aeronautical product for which Australia is not the State of Design, means a document, as in force from time to time, that:
(a) is issued by the national aviation authority of the State of Design of the aircraft or aeronautical product; and
(b) is of the same nature as an Australian airworthiness directive.
In these Regulations:
airworthiness directive means:
(a) an Australian airworthiness directive; or
(b) a foreign State of Design airworthiness directive issued on or after 1 October 2009; or
(c) for a model of aircraft that is first registered in Australia on or after 1 October 2009—a foreign State of Design airworthiness directive issued before 1 October 2009 for that model or for an aeronautical product that is part of, or used in, that model.
Australian airworthiness directive means a document, as in force from time to time, issued by CASA under subregulation 39.001(1).
foreign State of Design airworthiness directive, for a kind of aircraft or aeronautical product for which Australia is not the State of Design, means a document, as in force from time to time, that:
(a) is issued by the national aviation authority of the State of Design of the aircraft or aeronautical product; and
(b) is of the same nature as an Australian airworthiness directive.
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On my reading the FAA AD would apply in Australia, not the EASA one, as only the FAA one is issued by the national aviation authority of the State of Design of the aircraft.
Either way...
Country of origin of the aircraft AD's are mandatory in Australia.
So you must comply with the FAA AD on an Australian registered Boeing 737.
The fun part is how to correctly sign off the AD when it is on the CAsA list of AD's (as the FAA number) but only a link to the FAA AD.
So you must comply with the FAA AD on an Australian registered Boeing 737.
The fun part is how to correctly sign off the AD when it is on the CAsA list of AD's (as the FAA number) but only a link to the FAA AD.
Shouldn’t be all that complicated. You’re not signing off on compliance with an FAA AD. You’re signing off an AD that happens to be binding in Australia as a consequence of another NAA’s AD’s coming within the definition of an AD that’s binding in Australia.
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The AD is only complaint when it is listed on the Australian AD listing. If the list sets FAA or eusa list then it must be complied with. If it list both then both must be complied with.
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If you look up Australian AD's for a C210. Then pick out the due ones, what gets put in the Log Book?
AD/CESSNA 210/ 61 AMDT 2 and AD/CESSNA 210/ 2012-10-4 carried out nil defects evident.
or
AD/CESSNA 210/ 61 AMDT 2 and FAA AD 2012-10-4 carried out nil defects evident.
If a FAA AD is carried out prior to being linked to the Australian AD list would it correct to put in the Log Book:- FAA AD 2012-10-4 carried out nil defects evident. Will it need to be called up again when it does get put on the Australian AD list as AD/CESSNA 210/ 2012-10-4 carried out nil defects evident.
I ask this as I recall CAsA when stating the Country of Origin AD's must be carried out, there was also the comment that CAsA would do attempt to capture the relevant AD's but it was up to the registered operator to ensure all AD's required to be done are done (If we miss a few cant blame us).
I am of the opinion that 2012-10-4 is not an Australian AD, and should not be listed in the CAsA AD listing in the current way they are.
If they were Australian CAsA AD's they would need to follow the same format as AD/CESSNA 210/ 61 AMDT 2 and it clearly does not.
There is no document AD/CESSNA 210/ 2012-10-4!
Under Part 39, the Authority may issue ADs. The Director has delegated the power to
issue unique Australian ADs to the Head of Airworthiness Standards Branch and many of
the Section Heads of the Branch have the delegation to amend these ADs. However,
before issuing or amending a unique Australian AD, the Branch must consult with and
take into account the comments of CASA’s Chief Operations Officer. Each Section Head
within the Branch has the delegation to issue ADs based on foreign mandatory regulatory
requirements.
To issue the AD it needs a CAsA delegate signature and would look like this
http://services.casa.gov.au/airworth...SNA210-004.pdf
No doubt 6 CAsA AWI's will have 7 different ways of what to write in the log book!
AD/CESSNA 210/ 61 AMDT 2 and AD/CESSNA 210/ 2012-10-4 carried out nil defects evident.
or
AD/CESSNA 210/ 61 AMDT 2 and FAA AD 2012-10-4 carried out nil defects evident.
If a FAA AD is carried out prior to being linked to the Australian AD list would it correct to put in the Log Book:- FAA AD 2012-10-4 carried out nil defects evident. Will it need to be called up again when it does get put on the Australian AD list as AD/CESSNA 210/ 2012-10-4 carried out nil defects evident.
I ask this as I recall CAsA when stating the Country of Origin AD's must be carried out, there was also the comment that CAsA would do attempt to capture the relevant AD's but it was up to the registered operator to ensure all AD's required to be done are done (If we miss a few cant blame us).
I am of the opinion that 2012-10-4 is not an Australian AD, and should not be listed in the CAsA AD listing in the current way they are.
If they were Australian CAsA AD's they would need to follow the same format as AD/CESSNA 210/ 61 AMDT 2 and it clearly does not.
There is no document AD/CESSNA 210/ 2012-10-4!
Under Part 39, the Authority may issue ADs. The Director has delegated the power to
issue unique Australian ADs to the Head of Airworthiness Standards Branch and many of
the Section Heads of the Branch have the delegation to amend these ADs. However,
before issuing or amending a unique Australian AD, the Branch must consult with and
take into account the comments of CASA’s Chief Operations Officer. Each Section Head
within the Branch has the delegation to issue ADs based on foreign mandatory regulatory
requirements.
To issue the AD it needs a CAsA delegate signature and would look like this
http://services.casa.gov.au/airworth...SNA210-004.pdf
No doubt 6 CAsA AWI's will have 7 different ways of what to write in the log book!
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What i am saying is this
if the ad is not in the list for an aircraft it is not law and dose not have to be complied with. You do not have to look at the country of origin for the appliable ad.
when a country of origin issues an ad and when casa places that ad on the list then an only then it must be complied with.
just about every aircraft in australia is non complaint with ath the esea seat belt ad.
if the ad is not in the list for an aircraft it is not law and dose not have to be complied with. You do not have to look at the country of origin for the appliable ad.
when a country of origin issues an ad and when casa places that ad on the list then an only then it must be complied with.
just about every aircraft in australia is non complaint with ath the esea seat belt ad.
What i am saying is this
if the ad is not in the list for an aircraft it is not law and dose not have to be complied with. You do not have to look at the country of origin for the appliable ad.
when a country of origin issues an ad and when casa places that ad on the list then an only then it must be complied with.
just about every aircraft in australia is non complaint with ath the esea seat belt ad.
if the ad is not in the list for an aircraft it is not law and dose not have to be complied with. You do not have to look at the country of origin for the appliable ad.
when a country of origin issues an ad and when casa places that ad on the list then an only then it must be complied with.
just about every aircraft in australia is non complaint with ath the esea seat belt ad.
In GA there are not many Aircraft manufactures outside USA so that seat belt AD may not be applicable ( I am not familiar with it).
With out checking I am pretty sure it is only Country of Manufacture of the aircraft not components or engines - but stand to be corrected. So the seat belt can be a product of France but if it is fitted to a New Cessna only an CAsA or FAA issued AD needs to be complied with not any French one.
From 1 October 2009, in accordance with Part 39:
all aircraft on the Australian register are required to comply with applicable ADs issued by the National Airworthiness Authority (NAA) of the State of Design
it is the responsibility of the registered operator (RO) to monitor all ADs (Australian and State of Design ADs) applicable to their aircraft and aeronautical products.
v4.1 – November 2015
AC 39-01 Airworthiness Directives
all aircraft on the Australian register are required to comply with applicable ADs issued by the National Airworthiness Authority (NAA) of the State of Design
it is the responsibility of the registered operator (RO) to monitor all ADs (Australian and State of Design ADs) applicable to their aircraft and aeronautical products.
v4.1 – November 2015
AC 39-01 Airworthiness Directives
Conned’s many years of experience of the same year over and over again appear not to include any year after the point at which specified NAA’s ADs automatically became binding on Australian aircraft.
So Leady as I asked before - how is the AD signed off?
I don't believe the Australian listing of the # 2012-10-4 under the Australian 210 AD's exists as per my examples above as a actual AD.
So in my opinion it must be FAA 2012-10-4 carried out (be it on the Australian list or not).
But FWI's will not agree on a Monday (after 3pm) or a Thursday(before 11am) or as required.
I don't believe the Australian listing of the # 2012-10-4 under the Australian 210 AD's exists as per my examples above as a actual AD.
So in my opinion it must be FAA 2012-10-4 carried out (be it on the Australian list or not).
But FWI's will not agree on a Monday (after 3pm) or a Thursday(before 11am) or as required.
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I dont seam to understand what is so hard about this.
Any external AD from a foreign state is only law as an AD in Australia when it is placed on the Australian AD lisiting for a VH rego aircraft. Period.
Ads are law. A foriegn state may not make a law in australia. Only australia may make laws. Hence why they have to be placed on our casa listings.
you may monitor all you like.
remember IAW.
if what ypu are saying is correct then there would be zero ads listed as you would need to look at that aircrafts state ads.
a foriegn state AD may in fact have an illegal mod in australia.
and as for you leadie how many ads have you ever cerified for. Whislt you may have a crack at me i do this stuff on a daily basis, and if i would have had a problem im sure i would have been pulled up for it by now, which clearly i havent.
Any external AD from a foreign state is only law as an AD in Australia when it is placed on the Australian AD lisiting for a VH rego aircraft. Period.
Ads are law. A foriegn state may not make a law in australia. Only australia may make laws. Hence why they have to be placed on our casa listings.
you may monitor all you like.
remember IAW.
if what ypu are saying is correct then there would be zero ads listed as you would need to look at that aircrafts state ads.
a foriegn state AD may in fact have an illegal mod in australia.
and as for you leadie how many ads have you ever cerified for. Whislt you may have a crack at me i do this stuff on a daily basis, and if i would have had a problem im sure i would have been pulled up for it by now, which clearly i havent.
QUOTE ConnedrodI dont seam to understand what is so hard about this.
Any external AD from a foreign state is only law as an AD in Australia when it is placed on the Australian AD lisiting for a VH rego aircraft. Period.
** Mate I know an Advisory Circular is not law - but that previous post is very clear (also proves I was not correct in previous post/s
Ads are law. A foriegn state may not make a law in australia. Only australia may make laws. Hence why they have to be placed on our casa listings.
you may monitor all you like.
** The Australian CASA regulations decided it seems in 2009 your above statement is not actually correct - please link where they MUST be placed on the CASA listing ( the above AC clearly states I is the RO (Registered Operator) to check both Australian AD's and State of Design AD's to comply with.
remember IAW.
** Remember IAW ??? Please explain!
if what ypu are saying is correct then there would be zero ads listed as you would need to look at that aircrafts state ads.
** FFS Australia has its own AD's some modified from the manufacturer (these if indicated over rule the manufacturer) but yes the onus is on the RO to check the foreign state AD's - this is acceptable from the CASA AD page that has the Foreign National Aviation Authority AD website links ( it is on the Australian AD page - where CASA puts AD's). Found here. https://www.casa.gov.au/aircraft/sta...ess-directives
a foriegn state AD may in fact have an illegal mod in australia.
** It is then up to the modifier to issue instructions as required for continued airworthiness - C441 TX airframe comes to mind as they still fly in Oz way after that hr limit.
Any external AD from a foreign state is only law as an AD in Australia when it is placed on the Australian AD lisiting for a VH rego aircraft. Period.
** Mate I know an Advisory Circular is not law - but that previous post is very clear (also proves I was not correct in previous post/s
Ads are law. A foriegn state may not make a law in australia. Only australia may make laws. Hence why they have to be placed on our casa listings.
you may monitor all you like.
** The Australian CASA regulations decided it seems in 2009 your above statement is not actually correct - please link where they MUST be placed on the CASA listing ( the above AC clearly states I is the RO (Registered Operator) to check both Australian AD's and State of Design AD's to comply with.
remember IAW.
** Remember IAW ??? Please explain!
if what ypu are saying is correct then there would be zero ads listed as you would need to look at that aircrafts state ads.
** FFS Australia has its own AD's some modified from the manufacturer (these if indicated over rule the manufacturer) but yes the onus is on the RO to check the foreign state AD's - this is acceptable from the CASA AD page that has the Foreign National Aviation Authority AD website links ( it is on the Australian AD page - where CASA puts AD's). Found here. https://www.casa.gov.au/aircraft/sta...ess-directives
a foriegn state AD may in fact have an illegal mod in australia.
** It is then up to the modifier to issue instructions as required for continued airworthiness - C441 TX airframe comes to mind as they still fly in Oz way after that hr limit.
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An awb is not law . It can be consided law when in the absence of any other documents.
a foriegn ad is nothing. Its a nothing in Australia it holds no law qualifications at all .
an ad is law only when it passes though the correct paths via parliament.
hence it can only be an ad once it is posted on the list of Australian ads.
a forgien country cannot issue a ad for an aircraft in a foriegn country. Only the state of of which the aircraft is regested can issue an ad. In Australia via parliament
.
hence why there is no cao, ad etc that states you must carry out a foreign ad. T his is because they cannot due to a beach of the Australian law.
only casa can make you do an ad once its placed on the Australian ad listing.
once it is on this list then and only then it has to be complied with.
to to a forgien ad before its on the list then what are you doing it IAW. To say you are doing it iaw with a forgien ad is not correct because it is a nothing untill it on the list.
casa once again bully poeple into there way off thinking but they have no legal right to make you do it and when push and ask for a written procedre and regulations that show this they wont and back off.
now if you wish to do it go ahead i really dont care. But legally you cant and dont have too.
a foriegn ad is nothing. Its a nothing in Australia it holds no law qualifications at all .
an ad is law only when it passes though the correct paths via parliament.
hence it can only be an ad once it is posted on the list of Australian ads.
a forgien country cannot issue a ad for an aircraft in a foriegn country. Only the state of of which the aircraft is regested can issue an ad. In Australia via parliament
.
hence why there is no cao, ad etc that states you must carry out a foreign ad. T his is because they cannot due to a beach of the Australian law.
only casa can make you do an ad once its placed on the Australian ad listing.
once it is on this list then and only then it has to be complied with.
to to a forgien ad before its on the list then what are you doing it IAW. To say you are doing it iaw with a forgien ad is not correct because it is a nothing untill it on the list.
casa once again bully poeple into there way off thinking but they have no legal right to make you do it and when push and ask for a written procedre and regulations that show this they wont and back off.
now if you wish to do it go ahead i really dont care. But legally you cant and dont have too.
Get someone to read and explain the following laws to you:
Here’s how the law defines “airworthiness directive” for the purposes of the above regulation:
Note paras (b) and (c), or get someone to explain them to you.
39.003 Australian aircraft covered by airworthiness directive not to be operated
(1) A person must not operate an Australian aircraft that is covered by an airworthiness directive (other than an aircraft to which subregulation (4) applies), or that is fitted with an aeronautical product covered by an airworthiness directive (other than an aircraft to which subregulation (5) applies):
(a) in breach of any requirement of the airworthiness directive that affects the operating limitations of the aircraft; or
(b) while any other requirement of the airworthiness directive has not been complied with.
Penalty: 50 penalty units.
(1) A person must not operate an Australian aircraft that is covered by an airworthiness directive (other than an aircraft to which subregulation (4) applies), or that is fitted with an aeronautical product covered by an airworthiness directive (other than an aircraft to which subregulation (5) applies):
(a) in breach of any requirement of the airworthiness directive that affects the operating limitations of the aircraft; or
(b) while any other requirement of the airworthiness directive has not been complied with.
Penalty: 50 penalty units.
airworthiness directive means:
(a) an Australian airworthiness directive; or
(b) a foreign State of Design airworthiness directive issued on or after 1 October 2009; or
(c) for a model of aircraft that is first registered in Australia on or after 1 October 2009—a foreign State of Design airworthiness directive issued before 1 October 2009 for that model or for an aeronautical product that is part of, or used in, that model.
(a) an Australian airworthiness directive; or
(b) a foreign State of Design airworthiness directive issued on or after 1 October 2009; or
(c) for a model of aircraft that is first registered in Australia on or after 1 October 2009—a foreign State of Design airworthiness directive issued before 1 October 2009 for that model or for an aeronautical product that is part of, or used in, that model.
Under Part 39, the Authority may issue ADs. The Director has delegated the power to
issue unique Australian ADs to the Head of Airworthiness Standards Branch and many of
the Section Heads of the Branch have the delegation to amend these ADs. However,
before issuing or amending a unique Australian AD, the Branch must consult with and
take into account the comments of CASA’s Chief Operations Officer. Each Section Head
within the Branch has the delegation to issue ADs based on foreign mandatory regulatory
requirements.
For issuing Australian ADs, circulation for public comment will not be required for the
following:
* Where the Head of Airworthiness Standards certifies in writing that an unsafe condition
exists which warrants issue of an Immediate Safety of Flight AD before consultation
* For minor changes to foreign ADs to align with Australian conditions, and changes to
existing Australian unique ADs, providing the changes do not increase the difficulty of
compliance for Australian operators
* When the AD documents requirements that are made mandatory in another form by
the National Airworthiness Authority (NAA) issuing the Type Certificate—for example a
specific limitation included in the certifying country’s regulatory framework
* Where an AD revokes an existing AD or eliminates redundant requirements
* Where an Australian change revises compliance times, corrects typographical errors,
or provides comment or clarification notes.
issue unique Australian ADs to the Head of Airworthiness Standards Branch and many of
the Section Heads of the Branch have the delegation to amend these ADs. However,
before issuing or amending a unique Australian AD, the Branch must consult with and
take into account the comments of CASA’s Chief Operations Officer. Each Section Head
within the Branch has the delegation to issue ADs based on foreign mandatory regulatory
requirements.
For issuing Australian ADs, circulation for public comment will not be required for the
following:
* Where the Head of Airworthiness Standards certifies in writing that an unsafe condition
exists which warrants issue of an Immediate Safety of Flight AD before consultation
* For minor changes to foreign ADs to align with Australian conditions, and changes to
existing Australian unique ADs, providing the changes do not increase the difficulty of
compliance for Australian operators
* When the AD documents requirements that are made mandatory in another form by
the National Airworthiness Authority (NAA) issuing the Type Certificate—for example a
specific limitation included in the certifying country’s regulatory framework
* Where an AD revokes an existing AD or eliminates redundant requirements
* Where an Australian change revises compliance times, corrects typographical errors,
or provides comment or clarification notes.
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Apologies should I be breaking into a private fight; I have noticed when working on private and airwork aircraft, the job documents only call out the Australian ADs and mandatory OEM service documents. Charter aircraft often have country of origin ADs.