CASA IPC on overseas A320 sim
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CASA IPC on overseas A320 sim
G'day Bus drivers,
I was looking at IPC on A320 Sim at Ansett, however it seems they are quite busy at the moment.
Anybody has ever done IPC on overseas A320 sim? I want to do that with training provider which has experience CASA IPC before. Which training providers did you use for your CASA IPC on A320?
Thank you very much in advance.
Samurai
I was looking at IPC on A320 Sim at Ansett, however it seems they are quite busy at the moment.
Anybody has ever done IPC on overseas A320 sim? I want to do that with training provider which has experience CASA IPC before. Which training providers did you use for your CASA IPC on A320?
Thank you very much in advance.
Samurai
Check with CASA I recently did, however the A320 Sim I wanted to use was not approved and it was CAE.
It seems that this ruling is more geared to the corporate jet centers.
Certainly makes it easy to do a renewal doing during your renewal.
Good luck, call or email CASA, oh supply the Sim name serial number and type.
Note the examiner does not need CASA approval it’s the Sim but the examiner has a bit to fill out.
It seems that this ruling is more geared to the corporate jet centers.
Certainly makes it easy to do a renewal doing during your renewal.
Good luck, call or email CASA, oh supply the Sim name serial number and type.
Note the examiner does not need CASA approval it’s the Sim but the examiner has a bit to fill out.
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CASR 202.279 or thereabouts discusses it. You can do it provided the sim, training centre and the examiner are all approved by a recognised foreign state. See the start of Part 61 for that list. Be careful wrt the examiner, even if they hold an EASA approval they must be licensed by a rfs, not all EASA countries are rfs. Must complete the oral component with a CASA approved examiner or CASA FOI who has to get the flight test number as well
CASR 202.279 or thereabouts discusses it. You can do it provided the sim, training centre and the examiner are all approved by a recognised foreign state. See the start of Part 61 for that list. Be careful wrt the examiner, even if they hold an EASA approval they must be licensed by a rfs, not all EASA countries are rfs. Must complete the oral component with a CASA approved examiner or CASA FOI who has to get the flight test number as well
In short, a typical CASA bureaucratic nightmare, and one little slip-up in the countless pages of paperwork, and it is all for nothing.
Whether it is Flight Safety Inc., or CAE, or whoever, they shake their heads in wonder at how we put up with it, every time CASA gets involved.
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Thank you very much for your information.
It is not easy to do IPC on A320 in Australia unless you are not working for Jetstar or Tiger........Because there is only one training organisation in Australia ... If they are too busy or lazy, you can not keep IPC and flight review current. Then, you will loose a lot of your opportunities. No competition, but monopoly.
I will try to get contact with training organisations in rfs. Sweden or US, CANADA.
Global Aviator : So, where did you do IPC? Did you provide certified true copy of the approval for the Examiner and true copy of the Qualification Certificate for the simulator used?
Thank you very much for your help again.
Samurai
It is not easy to do IPC on A320 in Australia unless you are not working for Jetstar or Tiger........Because there is only one training organisation in Australia ... If they are too busy or lazy, you can not keep IPC and flight review current. Then, you will loose a lot of your opportunities. No competition, but monopoly.
I will try to get contact with training organisations in rfs. Sweden or US, CANADA.
Global Aviator : So, where did you do IPC? Did you provide certified true copy of the approval for the Examiner and true copy of the Qualification Certificate for the simulator used?
Thank you very much for your help again.
Samurai
Nope ended up in the too hard basket for where I’m currently.
Think I’ll go have some fun in a B58 in oz sometime!
Think I’ll go have some fun in a B58 in oz sometime!
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I did my last one (also A320) at FSC Training in Amsterdam. For me it turned out to be cheaper than doing it with Ansett.
Refer to AIC60-2 regarding sim approvals. In short - pretty much any class D sim in recognised counry is accepted. List of recognised countries is somewhere within CAR. I've also posted it earlier in different thread.
Standard procedure:
- pick a place and check if CASA training dept will accept it. Respectable training center will have their TO and Sim approvals available for download
- check if center's checker has approval to conduct IPC/LPC on your type. Ideally it will be issued by the same country
then
- get an oversesas IPC test number from CASA (usually any ATO can do that)
- do a ground component test with local ATO
- do IPC overseas
- grab copies of checker's, sim, TO approvals with office stamp on them
- finalise the papers with local ATO and send them to CASA
Order may change depending on how well you know your ATO. From memory - you have 28 days from proposed date of test to finish everything, so plan accordingly.
I allowed a month before IPC expiry and everything worked out nicely.
Refer to AIC60-2 regarding sim approvals. In short - pretty much any class D sim in recognised counry is accepted. List of recognised countries is somewhere within CAR. I've also posted it earlier in different thread.
Standard procedure:
- pick a place and check if CASA training dept will accept it. Respectable training center will have their TO and Sim approvals available for download
- check if center's checker has approval to conduct IPC/LPC on your type. Ideally it will be issued by the same country
then
- get an oversesas IPC test number from CASA (usually any ATO can do that)
- do a ground component test with local ATO
- do IPC overseas
- grab copies of checker's, sim, TO approvals with office stamp on them
- finalise the papers with local ATO and send them to CASA
Order may change depending on how well you know your ATO. From memory - you have 28 days from proposed date of test to finish everything, so plan accordingly.
I allowed a month before IPC expiry and everything worked out nicely.
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I did my last one (also A320) at FSC Training in Amsterdam. For me it turned out to be cheaper than doing it with Ansett.
Refer to AIC60-2 regarding sim approvals. In short - pretty much any class D sim in recognised counry is accepted. List of recognised countries is somewhere within CAR. I've also posted it earlier in different thread.
Standard procedure:
- pick a place and check if CASA training dept will accept it. Respectable training center will have their TO and Sim approvals available for download
- check if center's checker has approval to conduct IPC/LPC on your type. Ideally it will be issued by the same country
then
- get an oversesas IPC test number from CASA (usually any ATO can do that)
- do a ground component test with local ATO
- do IPC overseas
- grab copies of checker's, sim, TO approvals with office stamp on them
- finalise the papers with local ATO and send them to CASA
Order may change depending on how well you know your ATO. From memory - you have 28 days from proposed date of test to finish everything, so plan accordingly.
I allowed a month before IPC expiry and everything worked out nicely.
Refer to AIC60-2 regarding sim approvals. In short - pretty much any class D sim in recognised counry is accepted. List of recognised countries is somewhere within CAR. I've also posted it earlier in different thread.
Standard procedure:
- pick a place and check if CASA training dept will accept it. Respectable training center will have their TO and Sim approvals available for download
- check if center's checker has approval to conduct IPC/LPC on your type. Ideally it will be issued by the same country
then
- get an oversesas IPC test number from CASA (usually any ATO can do that)
- do a ground component test with local ATO
- do IPC overseas
- grab copies of checker's, sim, TO approvals with office stamp on them
- finalise the papers with local ATO and send them to CASA
Order may change depending on how well you know your ATO. From memory - you have 28 days from proposed date of test to finish everything, so plan accordingly.
I allowed a month before IPC expiry and everything worked out nicely.
It is great. Thank you very much for your information.
Definitely I will check FSC Training.
PM will be sent to you soon, CamradeRoo. I have a few questions for this.
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I did my last one (also A320) at FSC Training in Amsterdam. For me it turned out to be cheaper than doing it with Ansett.
Refer to AIC60-2 regarding sim approvals. In short - pretty much any class D sim in recognised counry is accepted. List of recognised countries is somewhere within CAR. I've also posted it earlier in different thread.
Standard procedure:
- pick a place and check if CASA training dept will accept it. Respectable training center will have their TO and Sim approvals available for download
- check if center's checker has approval to conduct IPC/LPC on your type. Ideally it will be issued by the same country
then
- get an oversesas IPC test number from CASA (usually any ATO can do that)
- do a ground component test with local ATO
- do IPC overseas
- grab copies of checker's, sim, TO approvals with office stamp on them
- finalise the papers with local ATO and send them to CASA
Order may change depending on how well you know your ATO. From memory - you have 28 days from proposed date of test to finish everything, so plan accordingly.
I allowed a month before IPC expiry and everything worked out nicely.
Refer to AIC60-2 regarding sim approvals. In short - pretty much any class D sim in recognised counry is accepted. List of recognised countries is somewhere within CAR. I've also posted it earlier in different thread.
Standard procedure:
- pick a place and check if CASA training dept will accept it. Respectable training center will have their TO and Sim approvals available for download
- check if center's checker has approval to conduct IPC/LPC on your type. Ideally it will be issued by the same country
then
- get an oversesas IPC test number from CASA (usually any ATO can do that)
- do a ground component test with local ATO
- do IPC overseas
- grab copies of checker's, sim, TO approvals with office stamp on them
- finalise the papers with local ATO and send them to CASA
Order may change depending on how well you know your ATO. From memory - you have 28 days from proposed date of test to finish everything, so plan accordingly.
I allowed a month before IPC expiry and everything worked out nicely.
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What everyone must understand is that the rest of the world knows nothing about aviation.
Only CAsA knows everything about aviation, same goes for standards, ours are way above anyone else in the world.
Thats why they make it so complicated to go overseas for training or recurrency because it levels the much cheaper costs offshore with the exorbitant charges of Australian monopoly providers.
It is an enigma though that they permit all these dodgy offshore pilots with dodgy instrument ratings, working for dodgy airlines, regulated by dodgy regulators, fly into and out of Australia under IFR, in vast numbers everyday. I thought at least in the interest of public safety if they wanted to fly here CAsA would insist they must be examined here.
Only CAsA knows everything about aviation, same goes for standards, ours are way above anyone else in the world.
Thats why they make it so complicated to go overseas for training or recurrency because it levels the much cheaper costs offshore with the exorbitant charges of Australian monopoly providers.
It is an enigma though that they permit all these dodgy offshore pilots with dodgy instrument ratings, working for dodgy airlines, regulated by dodgy regulators, fly into and out of Australia under IFR, in vast numbers everyday. I thought at least in the interest of public safety if they wanted to fly here CAsA would insist they must be examined here.
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Can I suggest you contact Greendot Aviation in Bangkok. Greendot-Aviation. Talk or email Veronica Zunic. They will design a Sim program for you that
conforms to CASA requirements. CASA has a good working relationship with this company.
My experience with them on the A330 Sim was near perfect in terms of training checking and compliant documentation. In my case they used the Bangkok Airways facility. My understanding is they have access to A320 Sims and Instructors.
Good luck
conforms to CASA requirements. CASA has a good working relationship with this company.
My experience with them on the A330 Sim was near perfect in terms of training checking and compliant documentation. In my case they used the Bangkok Airways facility. My understanding is they have access to A320 Sims and Instructors.
Good luck
