Class 2 Medical lapsing
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Class 2 Medical lapsing
Hi,
I have a Class 2 medical that has just expired on 5/2/18. I am out of the country living in the UK until December 2018, and do not intend to fly or maintain my flying status while here. I intend to recommence flight training for my PPL (which I just missed passing for) when I return in 2019.
Is there any action I should take with the expiry of my medical, so as not to prejudice my return to flying next year? For example, is it easier to renew my aviation medical within a set time period from it expiring, or is there no difference to the re-qualification process, medical examination, paperwork, etc. whether I renew it one day before it lapse, one day after it lapses, or one year after it lapses?
I can’t see any difference in the process from the CASA website, but want to ensure that I haven’t missed anything.
Many thanks,
Damo
I have a Class 2 medical that has just expired on 5/2/18. I am out of the country living in the UK until December 2018, and do not intend to fly or maintain my flying status while here. I intend to recommence flight training for my PPL (which I just missed passing for) when I return in 2019.
Is there any action I should take with the expiry of my medical, so as not to prejudice my return to flying next year? For example, is it easier to renew my aviation medical within a set time period from it expiring, or is there no difference to the re-qualification process, medical examination, paperwork, etc. whether I renew it one day before it lapse, one day after it lapses, or one year after it lapses?
I can’t see any difference in the process from the CASA website, but want to ensure that I haven’t missed anything.
Many thanks,
Damo
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Suggest email them direct at: [email protected]
You will get an auto acknowledgement but the real reply may take a week.
Worst it could be is to do an initial medical again?
You will get an auto acknowledgement but the real reply may take a week.
Worst it could be is to do an initial medical again?
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Don’t worry, I rang CASA. It hasn’t been legislated yet. There was a discussion meeting recently but the person to whom I spoke was unable to say when it will be implemented and to keep an eye on the website.
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Suggest email them direct at: [email protected]
You will get an auto acknowledgement but the real reply may take a week.
Worst it could be is to do an initial medical again?
You will get an auto acknowledgement but the real reply may take a week.
Worst it could be is to do an initial medical again?
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Thanks for the replies all.
I have also emailed them, but wanted a confirmation or “lessons learned” here too in case there were any cautionary tales. None yet, it seems.
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I have also emailed them, but wanted a confirmation or “lessons learned” here too in case there were any cautionary tales. None yet, it seems.
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Folks,
Why don't you look up the Australian standards for the national drivers license medical standards for other than private motor cars.
If you do, it will give you NO COMFORT compared to the CASA Class 2 medical standards.
The "new" US FAA standards mirror (more rather than less) what we have done in Australia for around 30 years for AUF/RAOz, the PRIVATE drivers medical standard.
What CASA is "proposing" is the reform you announce which sounds good to the unknowing and uncritical, don't "confuse 'em with facts". Just PR for the proles and politicians. The reform that is not reform.
It is obvious CASA has no wish to reform the Class 2, or mirror their experience of so many years, that the AUF/RAOz (and for many other recreational flyers) presents NO UNACCEPTABLE RISK, compared to the Class 2, and should be extended to ALL private operations.
Note: To all private operations, not limited by various other factors (gross weight etc) that have NO VALID RISK MANAGEMENT justification.
Of course, this is just as true of the FAA limitations, far more flexible than proposed by CASA, but still without risk management justification, ie: they are arbitrary.
Put simply, the medical condition/class of medical certificate held by a pilot is a negligible factor in aircraft accident and incident statistics.
It never has been.
Do not forget, aviation medical standards have NEVER been based on the assessed minimum standards necessary to fly an aeroplane, but based on historic military selection standards designed to exclude all but around 5% of the fittest, and squeezing "concessions" over the 60 years or so I have been flying, to recognise the real world of civil flying has been pitiful, particularly difficult because so many "Department/Authority " doctors were ex-military themselves.
Tootle pip!!
Why don't you look up the Australian standards for the national drivers license medical standards for other than private motor cars.
If you do, it will give you NO COMFORT compared to the CASA Class 2 medical standards.
The "new" US FAA standards mirror (more rather than less) what we have done in Australia for around 30 years for AUF/RAOz, the PRIVATE drivers medical standard.
What CASA is "proposing" is the reform you announce which sounds good to the unknowing and uncritical, don't "confuse 'em with facts". Just PR for the proles and politicians. The reform that is not reform.
It is obvious CASA has no wish to reform the Class 2, or mirror their experience of so many years, that the AUF/RAOz (and for many other recreational flyers) presents NO UNACCEPTABLE RISK, compared to the Class 2, and should be extended to ALL private operations.
Note: To all private operations, not limited by various other factors (gross weight etc) that have NO VALID RISK MANAGEMENT justification.
Of course, this is just as true of the FAA limitations, far more flexible than proposed by CASA, but still without risk management justification, ie: they are arbitrary.
Put simply, the medical condition/class of medical certificate held by a pilot is a negligible factor in aircraft accident and incident statistics.
It never has been.
Do not forget, aviation medical standards have NEVER been based on the assessed minimum standards necessary to fly an aeroplane, but based on historic military selection standards designed to exclude all but around 5% of the fittest, and squeezing "concessions" over the 60 years or so I have been flying, to recognise the real world of civil flying has been pitiful, particularly difficult because so many "Department/Authority " doctors were ex-military themselves.
Tootle pip!!
ds: If you get a response from CASA that includes any statements about what is going to happen in the future or “soon”, ignore them. They will be false, either because you’re being lied to or because some patsy has been lined up to tell you a Pollyanna story about how wonderful things are going to be “soon” in the relaxed and modern world of pilot medical certification.
CASA Avmed is now an over-reaching, self-justifying bureacracy on a mission to save the world.
CASA Avmed is now an over-reaching, self-justifying bureacracy on a mission to save the world.
Early first bite of the CDML cherry...but its a lemon !!
Since my car drivers licence and medial was due, I showed up with paperwork for both, Austroads and QDOTMR.
I have a hearing defect that has allowed me to retain a PPL since 1959. As my AvMed Cl 2 not current, so i thort Id try the brave new world. Uh oh..doh !
Failed ..!! on the hearing basis,... and that defect hasn't changed since 1940.
And I dont want to drive bloody great interstate semi trailer or a bus, I just wish to continue to exercise my rights of the PPL...with a normal car drivers licence medical, just like everyone else in RAAus and all those other countries.
Its dangerous enough on the roads with all the other traffic , flying a lightie is a safer and relaxing doddle by comparison.
So CAsA has once again produced a crock.
I concur with Leadie... CAsA* has NO intention of real world reform to simplify life for the private pilot.
* I spell the acronym this way, because CAsA is BIG on itself and in reality small on
fair dinkum practical 'safety'
I am advised that in a week or so there is going to be a major pronouncement about this brave new medical world. Bring yr bucket !
And take Carmodys statements p79 latest Aust Flying with a pinch of %&!! as well. !
Since my car drivers licence and medial was due, I showed up with paperwork for both, Austroads and QDOTMR.
I have a hearing defect that has allowed me to retain a PPL since 1959. As my AvMed Cl 2 not current, so i thort Id try the brave new world. Uh oh..doh !
Failed ..!! on the hearing basis,... and that defect hasn't changed since 1940.
And I dont want to drive bloody great interstate semi trailer or a bus, I just wish to continue to exercise my rights of the PPL...with a normal car drivers licence medical, just like everyone else in RAAus and all those other countries.
Its dangerous enough on the roads with all the other traffic , flying a lightie is a safer and relaxing doddle by comparison.
So CAsA has once again produced a crock.
I concur with Leadie... CAsA* has NO intention of real world reform to simplify life for the private pilot.
* I spell the acronym this way, because CAsA is BIG on itself and in reality small on
fair dinkum practical 'safety'
I am advised that in a week or so there is going to be a major pronouncement about this brave new medical world. Bring yr bucket !
And take Carmodys statements p79 latest Aust Flying with a pinch of %&!! as well. !
Thunderbird 5 - when the regs are being re-written over 20 years, then a mere 24 hours is nothing.....It's here!
First aviation medical reform commences 1 March 2018
A Class 2 medical certificate will be an option for pilots operating commercial flights that do not carry passengers from 1 March 2018. This applies to operations with a maximum take-off weight of less than 8618 kilograms and is likely to be of specific benefit for aerial agriculture flights, flight instruction or flight examination. Currently pilots must have a Class 1 medical for these operations.
These changes will be applied automatically with no action required by industry.
The reform recognises that the risk for certain commercial operations do not require the higher level of control provided under the Class 1 medical certificate regime.
It will assist in broadening the pool of experienced pilots that are able to offer flight instruction—offering benefits to current and future student pilots.
This is the first of the changes to improve the aviation medical system announced late last year.
Future improvements on track
The second of the announced changes is on track to be implemented from early April 2018. It will allow all designated aviation medical examiners (DAMEs) to issue Class 2 medicals on the spot without reference to CASA, unless the DAME elects to refer the application to CASA.
Allowing DAMEs to directly issue Class 2 medicals should simplify and speed up the medical process for hundreds of applicants each month.
The third part of the reforms – the new Basic Class 2 medical certificate – is on schedule to be introduced in the middle of 2018.
/end CASA email.
I like the use of the word "experienced" - as in:
It will assist in broadening the pool of experienced pilots that are able to offer flight instruction—offering benefits to current and future student pilots.
As far as I can see, there is no requirement for a minimum number of hours, so therefore I question the use of the word "experienced"....you may be getting someone with a bare PPL, and a basic instructors rating, who can provide training of dubious quality without the oversight of a crusty, experienced, CFI.
This exact situation currently exists for training in aerobatics, low level, and spin recovery.....
First aviation medical reform commences 1 March 2018
A Class 2 medical certificate will be an option for pilots operating commercial flights that do not carry passengers from 1 March 2018. This applies to operations with a maximum take-off weight of less than 8618 kilograms and is likely to be of specific benefit for aerial agriculture flights, flight instruction or flight examination. Currently pilots must have a Class 1 medical for these operations.
These changes will be applied automatically with no action required by industry.
The reform recognises that the risk for certain commercial operations do not require the higher level of control provided under the Class 1 medical certificate regime.
It will assist in broadening the pool of experienced pilots that are able to offer flight instruction—offering benefits to current and future student pilots.
This is the first of the changes to improve the aviation medical system announced late last year.
Future improvements on track
The second of the announced changes is on track to be implemented from early April 2018. It will allow all designated aviation medical examiners (DAMEs) to issue Class 2 medicals on the spot without reference to CASA, unless the DAME elects to refer the application to CASA.
Allowing DAMEs to directly issue Class 2 medicals should simplify and speed up the medical process for hundreds of applicants each month.
The third part of the reforms – the new Basic Class 2 medical certificate – is on schedule to be introduced in the middle of 2018.
/end CASA email.
I like the use of the word "experienced" - as in:
It will assist in broadening the pool of experienced pilots that are able to offer flight instruction—offering benefits to current and future student pilots.
As far as I can see, there is no requirement for a minimum number of hours, so therefore I question the use of the word "experienced"....you may be getting someone with a bare PPL, and a basic instructors rating, who can provide training of dubious quality without the oversight of a crusty, experienced, CFI.
This exact situation currently exists for training in aerobatics, low level, and spin recovery.....
Wow - it looks like the person who drafted the email you received didn’t reconcile the dates in the email with the dates in the announcement on the CASA website: https://www.casa.gov.au/publications.../february-2018
Note the weasel words and dates I’ve highlighted:
“Implemented from early April 2018” is not the same as “implemented by late March 2018”. I reckon someone thought errrmmm, let’s squeeze another couple of weeks into the weasel words, just in case. Whatever the truth, it beggars belief that the new DAS would risk making inaccurate predictions about the timing of changes, rather than just getting on and making the promised changes, first, then announcing that the changes have been implemented.
Let’s hope the predictions turn out to be ball-park accurate. But, based on previous and extensive form, I don’t believe any predictions CASA makes. My all-time favourite is the evidence given to a Senate Committee by a previous DAS, 13 years ago, about when the rewrite of the regulations was going to be completed:
Note the weasel words and dates I’ve highlighted:
Another of the announced reforms to aviation medicine is on track to be implemented by late March 2018. This change will allow all designated aviation medical examiners (DAMEs) to issue Class 2 medicals on the spot without reference to CASA, unless the DAME elects to refer the application to CASA. Allowing DAMEs to directly issue Class 2 medicals should simplify and speed up the medical process for hundreds of applicants each month. I can also advise the new Basic Class 2 medical certificate – based on the Austroads commercial vehicle driver standards – is on track to be introduced in the middle of 2018.
Let’s hope the predictions turn out to be ball-park accurate. But, based on previous and extensive form, I don’t believe any predictions CASA makes. My all-time favourite is the evidence given to a Senate Committee by a previous DAS, 13 years ago, about when the rewrite of the regulations was going to be completed:
We have an action item to develop a plan to forward to the the minister about when we plan to have them to the minister, and I assume that plan would be done in the next couple of months. I would be hopeful that it would not be long after early 2006 that most of the draft rules are delivered to the minister.
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Back on topic for a minute - I renewed in Nov last year after 20 years poking around in ultralights light sport aircraft. No dramas for my aging frame, other than having to bring my specs and my hearing aid along for a visit, then astounding the DAME with my ability to see and hear without either. It did end up being my second visit though, as I forgot to fill in the questionnaire about everything that has ever happened to me in my life ever, before I got prodded and poked by said DAME. But I hear this is one-off to get my history into the system.
I must say though - my dad was line Captain with TAA back in the day - he couldn't instruct after he retired then lost his C1 (he still has his C2). This new rule, or whatever it is, seems to be one of the more significant changes in medicals from what I read? Maybe there's hope.
BTW - yup this is my first post on PPRuNe. Only just got BFR'd last week, and my instructor told me about this forum. Fun reading.
I must say though - my dad was line Captain with TAA back in the day - he couldn't instruct after he retired then lost his C1 (he still has his C2). This new rule, or whatever it is, seems to be one of the more significant changes in medicals from what I read? Maybe there's hope.
BTW - yup this is my first post on PPRuNe. Only just got BFR'd last week, and my instructor told me about this forum. Fun reading.
We have an action item to develop a plan to forward to the the minister about when we plan to have them to the minister, and I assume that plan would be done in the next couple of months. I would be hopeful that it would not be long after early 2006 that most of the draft rules are delivered to the minister.
We have a plan to develop a plan about a plan!
No wonder GA is stuffed, with that sort of garbage being peddled to the Minister.
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Medical Reform CASA 2018 devil is in the detail
The devil is in the detail of CASA DAS announcement 28 Feb 18 regarding medical reform. Straight Class 2 – DAMEs to be 'educated' - could include ‘do not issue to someone under CASA Audit’, which is all pilots currently denied a Class 2; or if pilot has suffered a ‘stroke’ then DAME cannot issue and must be referred back to CASA Aviation Medicine Branch etc etc = extensive exclusions, as per RAMPC with 50+. Basic Class 2 – under Austroads, a restriction = subject to annual medical review; CASA could impose With Safety Pilot Only as their restriction, rather than annual medical review.
I like the use of the word "experienced" - as in:
It will assist in broadening the pool of experienced pilots that are able to offer flight instruction—offering benefits to current and future student pilots.
As far as I can see, there is no requirement for a minimum number of hours, so therefore I question the use of the word "experienced"....you may be getting someone with a bare PPL, and a basic instructors rating, who can provide training of dubious quality without the oversight of a crusty, experienced, CFI.
This exact situation currently exists for training in aerobatics, low level, and spin recovery.....
It will assist in broadening the pool of experienced pilots that are able to offer flight instruction—offering benefits to current and future student pilots.
As far as I can see, there is no requirement for a minimum number of hours, so therefore I question the use of the word "experienced"....you may be getting someone with a bare PPL, and a basic instructors rating, who can provide training of dubious quality without the oversight of a crusty, experienced, CFI.
This exact situation currently exists for training in aerobatics, low level, and spin recovery.....
As for dubious quality, there is a brand new aerobatic training endorsement with a MOS and a test by an examiner. Previously almost any Gr1 instructor could put a stamp in the logbook of an inexperienced instructor with nil guidance.
The USA has no aerobatic endorsement so any PPL can teach others. Low level aerobatics simply requires being a member of their aerobatic club. Unless doing displays where an annual check, to very specific standards, is required unlike here.
The USA has no aerobatic endorsement so any PPL can teach others. Low level aerobatics simply requires being a member of their aerobatic club.
The lack of regulatory micro-management must result in aerobatic carnage in the USA.