Pilot shortage
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Unfortunately, "psychometric testing", is used by all major airlines and won't go away,
especially when there's hundreds of applicants available to choose from.
An applicant can meet all the requirements but if they don't achieve the necessary score,
they fall out of the race.
People that usually do well in these "psychometric testing", have higher educational qualifications,
or a naturally gifted/talented, when it comes to this type of testing.
Apart from that, half the F/O positions at Jetstar/Virgin/QF, are filled by cadets or F/O's on turboprops.
Best option is for a person to look for airline flying jobs outside of OZ, if things don't workout here.
especially when there's hundreds of applicants available to choose from.
An applicant can meet all the requirements but if they don't achieve the necessary score,
they fall out of the race.
People that usually do well in these "psychometric testing", have higher educational qualifications,
or a naturally gifted/talented, when it comes to this type of testing.
Apart from that, half the F/O positions at Jetstar/Virgin/QF, are filled by cadets or F/O's on turboprops.
Best option is for a person to look for airline flying jobs outside of OZ, if things don't workout here.
Folks,
Great interview of Dick Smith by Allan Jones and Peta Credlin on Jones & Co. tonight --- Let's hope the "Minister's aviation adviser" takes it in.
Tootle pip!!
PS: With a bit of luck, the video will be on Dick's Facebook RSN.
Great interview of Dick Smith by Allan Jones and Peta Credlin on Jones & Co. tonight --- Let's hope the "Minister's aviation adviser" takes it in.
Tootle pip!!
PS: With a bit of luck, the video will be on Dick's Facebook RSN.
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Unfortunately you’re right. It must be very frustrating for the many, many guys (and gals) like you that hear constantly about this apparent pilot shortage yet are knocked back by some irrelevant score on an HR psychometric test.
i hope we do actually see a pilot shortage in Australia one day. A genuine shortage that entails aircraft being parked even after every single qualified Aussie pilot that is looking for a job has been employed.
While they are able to remain picky in Oz regarding soft skills there really isn’t a genuine shortage at all.
Best of luck.
PG
There will never be a pilot shortage in Australia. The powers that be (govt) will change the rules following lobbying from powerbrokers (airlines) to allow the unrestricted employment of international pilots regardless of skill level (CASA will turn a blind eye because they are controlled by the govt) well before there is even a sniff of a pilot shortage in Australia.
point in case, there’s a bunch of Aussies currently over here in the US as jet captains with no intention to go back to Australia. That says something when Aussies have better options that back home.
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There will be a shortage of pilots in Australia, at levels of aviation, within the next 3 to 5 years.
QF are recruiting up to 200 pilots, from now until the next 12 months (that includes current recruitment drive).
QF needs up to 800 pilots during now and within the next 10 years, to cover retirements, only.
A news article was published in the "Australian Business Traveler magazine", about two weeks ago, saying,
QF will order the A350 or 787X in 2019, for a 2022 delivery (I'd say it's a B747 replacement), nobody is talking about that on pprune.
There are at least 150 Oz pilots in the U.S now and i see that number climbing to 300 in the next 18 months to 24 months.
The rate of retirement in the U.S airlines from now, until the next 10 years, has some extra ordinary figures, which will take time to understand.
That's the reason why QF will set up a flying Academy, i'd say will start no later than January 2020, the first cadets will graduate by the end of 2021,
the academy will produce up to 100 graduates per year, from 2022, and that's when QF will need the numbers to cover gaps, within all their group
of airlines.
QF had a cadet scheme in the 70's, it's returning and here to stay.
The cadet scheme will only produce 50% of the pilots needed, to cover future aircrew requirements.
QF are recruiting up to 200 pilots, from now until the next 12 months (that includes current recruitment drive).
QF needs up to 800 pilots during now and within the next 10 years, to cover retirements, only.
A news article was published in the "Australian Business Traveler magazine", about two weeks ago, saying,
QF will order the A350 or 787X in 2019, for a 2022 delivery (I'd say it's a B747 replacement), nobody is talking about that on pprune.
There are at least 150 Oz pilots in the U.S now and i see that number climbing to 300 in the next 18 months to 24 months.
The rate of retirement in the U.S airlines from now, until the next 10 years, has some extra ordinary figures, which will take time to understand.
That's the reason why QF will set up a flying Academy, i'd say will start no later than January 2020, the first cadets will graduate by the end of 2021,
the academy will produce up to 100 graduates per year, from 2022, and that's when QF will need the numbers to cover gaps, within all their group
of airlines.
QF had a cadet scheme in the 70's, it's returning and here to stay.
The cadet scheme will only produce 50% of the pilots needed, to cover future aircrew requirements.
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Half the problem for experienced guys who are getting turned away and trying their hardest to get into the airlines is HR.
If you don't tick some little box that HR has come up with you don't get the job. No matter how well you did in your SIM or Group assessment. They are turning away very experienced people who would not have any issue slotting in to the right seat of a jet (Including me), people who are already proven in the right-seat of a regional sized transport category aircraft.
If you don't tick some little box that HR has come up with you don't get the job. No matter how well you did in your SIM or Group assessment. They are turning away very experienced people who would not have any issue slotting in to the right seat of a jet (Including me), people who are already proven in the right-seat of a regional sized transport category aircraft.
I am yet to land a GA job
Good luck mate
Seagull201 et al,
There have been airline sponsored cadet pilot schemes long before the 1970s in Australia, as I recall going back to the late 1950s, the AAPTS run by RAC of NSW at YSBK (or ASBK as it then was).
Qantas set up a scheme in the 1960s, the early courses are now long since retired. That was at about the same time BA (BOAC and BEA at the time) set up a college at Hamble.
I am always amused at the "flexibility" of recruit criteria, when business is bad and pilots are many, command time on a space shuttle is close to the minimum, when times are reversed, warm and walking with a valid medical fits the bill, being able to find the interview room satisfies the aptitude test.
HR by whatever name has always been an issue, as is the traditional turf war between HR and Flight Operations, resulting in some hires that were questionable as baggage slingers, let alone pilots.
Tootle pip!!
There have been airline sponsored cadet pilot schemes long before the 1970s in Australia, as I recall going back to the late 1950s, the AAPTS run by RAC of NSW at YSBK (or ASBK as it then was).
Qantas set up a scheme in the 1960s, the early courses are now long since retired. That was at about the same time BA (BOAC and BEA at the time) set up a college at Hamble.
I am always amused at the "flexibility" of recruit criteria, when business is bad and pilots are many, command time on a space shuttle is close to the minimum, when times are reversed, warm and walking with a valid medical fits the bill, being able to find the interview room satisfies the aptitude test.
HR by whatever name has always been an issue, as is the traditional turf war between HR and Flight Operations, resulting in some hires that were questionable as baggage slingers, let alone pilots.
Tootle pip!!
