Change of government needed for electric air race?
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So, if Global warming is a scam, why is it bad thing to help leave a better cleaner environment for our kids and future? but i guess that shrinking snow fields in Australia over the past 30 years is just a co-incidence..
even if its all a scam,...
So, if Global warming is a scam, why is it bad thing to help leave a better cleaner environment for our kids and future? but i guess that shrinking snow fields in Australia over the past 30 years is just a co-incidence..
even if its all a scam,...
Ultralights, if yer think CO2 is bad then i think yer been spending to much time around the greeny water cart..
As to scam, that is what Senator Malcolm Roberts has been trying to ascertain. As far as i know the CSIRO and BOM have failed to produce to the Senator audited evidence of claims. No proof of claims = scam in most peoples books.
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Electric power for long range aircraft just isn't possible at present. Energy density of batteries is too low and there are fundamental chemistry reasons why it cannot get better quickly despite there having been a tremendous amount of R&D on battery tech in the last 30 years.
That said, there are a couple of niche markets at present in self launching and self retrieving gliders where electric power is now feasible and in fact one such aircraft has been available commercially for years now (Lange Antares) with others also coming on the market. See also GP Gliders GP14 and GP15.
One place where electric is feasible right now is electric powered VTOL with conventional hydrocarbon fuel for wing borne flight. The batteries do not have to be huge and an aircraft that takes off and lands vertically can have the wing sized for cruise at huge savings in weight and drag and likewise the landing gear can be lighter.
Several companies are working on this kind of thing including Google.
I have my own favorite design sketched out and a preliminary weight analysis done.
I'd really like an electric powered VTOL seating 2 to 4 that cruises at 150 KTAS or better for several hours, with autoflight system and whole aircraft parachute with emergency deployable shock absorbing landing gear.
That said, there are a couple of niche markets at present in self launching and self retrieving gliders where electric power is now feasible and in fact one such aircraft has been available commercially for years now (Lange Antares) with others also coming on the market. See also GP Gliders GP14 and GP15.
One place where electric is feasible right now is electric powered VTOL with conventional hydrocarbon fuel for wing borne flight. The batteries do not have to be huge and an aircraft that takes off and lands vertically can have the wing sized for cruise at huge savings in weight and drag and likewise the landing gear can be lighter.
Several companies are working on this kind of thing including Google.
I have my own favorite design sketched out and a preliminary weight analysis done.
I'd really like an electric powered VTOL seating 2 to 4 that cruises at 150 KTAS or better for several hours, with autoflight system and whole aircraft parachute with emergency deployable shock absorbing landing gear.
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Here is the precis of the article in the Australian newspaper, linked to by LeadSled ...
THE AUSTRALIAN - DEC 7, 2016
Businessman Dick Smith will today give $1 million to charity out of frustration with the Turnbull government, which he says failed to back his offer to provide the same amount to recreate the 1919 London-to-Darwin air race that kickstarted international air travel.
Such is Mr Smith’s disappointment that he will give the $1m he had earmarked for the air race — which would have used electric planes in the recreation to spark a new round of innovation — to the Rotary Australia Benevolent *Society.
“I’m incredibly disappointed,” he told The Australian.
In 1919, Australian prime minister Billy Hughes offered £10,000 to the first aircrew to reach Darwin from London.
“Back in 1919, people had no idea the planes that were used in World War I could actually do long distances,” Mr Smith said.
“Billy Hughes came up with the original idea and it was the start of long-distance air travel.”
“I thought wouldn’t it be great if 100 years later we did it with electrically powered planes.”
“It would be all about innovation because electrically powered aircraft can do about 300 nautical miles (now) and you need about 500. It would mean you have three years to extend the boundaries; innovate to get better storage. Which would help every bit of alternative energy.”
Mr Smith said he encountered the same problem in all his aviation dealings with government: “Nobody makes a decision.”
He said he had mentioned the project directly to Malcolm Turnbull and then wrote to the Minister for Innovation, Greg Hunt. “I can’t even remember his name he’s so dynamic — but I wrote to him and he didn’t commit himself to anything.”
“At one stage they said, ‘What do you want?’ and I said, ‘It would be great if you match the money but you don’t have to, just come with some enthusiasm for it’. But I got nothing.”
Mr Smith said the aviation community had been overwhelmingly supportive of the idea. “But no doubt the minister would have been advised, ‘Oh minister, small planes crash, I wouldn’t suggest you get involved with this.”
“They are so risk-averse and so politically correct — even with Dick Smith on side putting the money in, they couldn’t bring themselves to support it.”
“So I’m giving a breakfast talk ... at the Rotary Club of Wahroonga and then I’ll hand $1m to them.”
Yesterday, a spokesman for Mr Hunt maintained that his department’s lack of involvement was a financial issue: “We respect his initiative, but the government can’t fund every proposal for using taxpayer’s money,” the spokesman said.
“We’d be very happy for Mr Smith to provide his own funds rather than calling on taxpaying Australian families. There is no barrier to Mr Smith paying for this himself.”
Rotary Australia Benevolent Society chairman Michael Perkins said the Smith donation would allow Rotary to “mobilise projects targeted at helping those desperately needing assistance get back on their feet”.
“The impact will be felt throughout all of Australia, from cities to the outback.”
The donation is part of more than $4.1m Mr Smith is giving to charities and organisations from the sale of his Cessna Citation aircraft. He sold the plane in disgust at ever-increasing maintenance costs caused, he said, by years of industry mismanagement by both major political parties through the Civil Aviation Safety Authority. “Every time you blink, CASA comes up with a more expensive equipment to be fitted to your plane,” he said.
Businessman Dick Smith will today give $1 million to charity out of frustration with the Turnbull government, which he says failed to back his offer to provide the same amount to recreate the 1919 London-to-Darwin air race that kickstarted international air travel.
Such is Mr Smith’s disappointment that he will give the $1m he had earmarked for the air race — which would have used electric planes in the recreation to spark a new round of innovation — to the Rotary Australia Benevolent *Society.
“I’m incredibly disappointed,” he told The Australian.
In 1919, Australian prime minister Billy Hughes offered £10,000 to the first aircrew to reach Darwin from London.
“Back in 1919, people had no idea the planes that were used in World War I could actually do long distances,” Mr Smith said.
“Billy Hughes came up with the original idea and it was the start of long-distance air travel.”
“I thought wouldn’t it be great if 100 years later we did it with electrically powered planes.”
“It would be all about innovation because electrically powered aircraft can do about 300 nautical miles (now) and you need about 500. It would mean you have three years to extend the boundaries; innovate to get better storage. Which would help every bit of alternative energy.”
Mr Smith said he encountered the same problem in all his aviation dealings with government: “Nobody makes a decision.”
He said he had mentioned the project directly to Malcolm Turnbull and then wrote to the Minister for Innovation, Greg Hunt. “I can’t even remember his name he’s so dynamic — but I wrote to him and he didn’t commit himself to anything.”
“At one stage they said, ‘What do you want?’ and I said, ‘It would be great if you match the money but you don’t have to, just come with some enthusiasm for it’. But I got nothing.”
Mr Smith said the aviation community had been overwhelmingly supportive of the idea. “But no doubt the minister would have been advised, ‘Oh minister, small planes crash, I wouldn’t suggest you get involved with this.”
“They are so risk-averse and so politically correct — even with Dick Smith on side putting the money in, they couldn’t bring themselves to support it.”
“So I’m giving a breakfast talk ... at the Rotary Club of Wahroonga and then I’ll hand $1m to them.”
Yesterday, a spokesman for Mr Hunt maintained that his department’s lack of involvement was a financial issue: “We respect his initiative, but the government can’t fund every proposal for using taxpayer’s money,” the spokesman said.
“We’d be very happy for Mr Smith to provide his own funds rather than calling on taxpaying Australian families. There is no barrier to Mr Smith paying for this himself.”
Rotary Australia Benevolent Society chairman Michael Perkins said the Smith donation would allow Rotary to “mobilise projects targeted at helping those desperately needing assistance get back on their feet”.
“The impact will be felt throughout all of Australia, from cities to the outback.”
The donation is part of more than $4.1m Mr Smith is giving to charities and organisations from the sale of his Cessna Citation aircraft. He sold the plane in disgust at ever-increasing maintenance costs caused, he said, by years of industry mismanagement by both major political parties through the Civil Aviation Safety Authority. “Every time you blink, CASA comes up with a more expensive equipment to be fitted to your plane,” he said.
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As for the global warming scam - if you believe in it you do need a better education. Do some research. Richard Lindzen is a good name to begin with.
After the East Anglia email release in 2009 nobody should believe the climate "scientists" are on the straight and level. They have conspired to denigrate any scientific opposition and prevent them from publishing papers that cast doubt on the CO2 caused climate change conjecture. I won't dignify it with "theory".
About the only noticeable effect of the extra CO2 (from around 300ppmv to 400 ppmv) has been a greening of the planet. Plants are still in CO2 starvation mode and more is better. No increase in hurricanes or other extreme weather, no increase in rate of sea level rise (it has been rising since the end of the last ice age and rose quickly around then as the ice melted). We are in an interglacial where the temperature has fluctuated by several degrees at various times in the last 10,000 years. The ice will be back soon enough.
You may also like to consider that NONE of the present self flagellation and self imposed energy poverty will do anything noticeable even if implemented in full, which is extremely unlikely.
Anybody serious about preventing human activity produced CO2 from entering the atmosphere should be demonstrating in the streets for coal and gas burning electric power stations to be replaced by nukes.
"Renewable" energy like wind runs on replacement windmill parts (made and transported by hydrocarbon fuels) and like solar is completely unreliable.
Consider that the only boats and aircraft powered by wind and solar nowadays are for recreational purposes only.
See South Australia recently. This will come to you where ever you live in Australia unless the current green mind virus abates.
Fortunately President Trump looks like derailing the climate gravy train and western civilisation has chance of survival.
After the East Anglia email release in 2009 nobody should believe the climate "scientists" are on the straight and level. They have conspired to denigrate any scientific opposition and prevent them from publishing papers that cast doubt on the CO2 caused climate change conjecture. I won't dignify it with "theory".
About the only noticeable effect of the extra CO2 (from around 300ppmv to 400 ppmv) has been a greening of the planet. Plants are still in CO2 starvation mode and more is better. No increase in hurricanes or other extreme weather, no increase in rate of sea level rise (it has been rising since the end of the last ice age and rose quickly around then as the ice melted). We are in an interglacial where the temperature has fluctuated by several degrees at various times in the last 10,000 years. The ice will be back soon enough.
You may also like to consider that NONE of the present self flagellation and self imposed energy poverty will do anything noticeable even if implemented in full, which is extremely unlikely.
Anybody serious about preventing human activity produced CO2 from entering the atmosphere should be demonstrating in the streets for coal and gas burning electric power stations to be replaced by nukes.
"Renewable" energy like wind runs on replacement windmill parts (made and transported by hydrocarbon fuels) and like solar is completely unreliable.
Consider that the only boats and aircraft powered by wind and solar nowadays are for recreational purposes only.
See South Australia recently. This will come to you where ever you live in Australia unless the current green mind virus abates.
Fortunately President Trump looks like derailing the climate gravy train and western civilisation has chance of survival.
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Eyrie are you for real or are you just s#*t stirring. I have never before read so much ill informed BS in one small post. It must be some sort of record.
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While I am not sold on Global Warming (nowadays called Climate Change {because it was not warming!})
I think all will agree that the less fossil fuels used and more renewable (clean) energy used, the result will be less pollution.
I am sure everybody would like less pollution on this planet.
I think all will agree that the less fossil fuels used and more renewable (clean) energy used, the result will be less pollution.
I am sure everybody would like less pollution on this planet.
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...I am sure everybody would like less pollution on this planet.
...I am sure everybody would like less pollution on this planet.
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Here is an article 'Air race challenge: plugged in and set for a flight of fancy' in The Australian today 12 December 2016.
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Good news Dick, that's a hell of a range he is talking.
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I would expect the acid rains to take care of them Wind Generators over time!...
I would expect the acid rains to take care of them Wind Generators over time!...
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Over time if you care to actually read than rant!
Countries most Affected by Acid Rain
Remember I said pollution - your eye sores are not pollution by definition but un sightly. Dam fine chance all Wind Generation is near populated areas in Australia so can you define Pristine?
Please read about pollution and tell me the lead content in Avgas in Australian ports???
Air pollutants
Countries most Affected by Acid Rain
Remember I said pollution - your eye sores are not pollution by definition but un sightly. Dam fine chance all Wind Generation is near populated areas in Australia so can you define Pristine?
Please read about pollution and tell me the lead content in Avgas in Australian ports???
Air pollutants
Over time if you care to actually read than rant!
Countries most Affected by Acid Rain
Remember I said pollution - your eye sores are not pollution by definition but un sightly. Dam fine chance all Wind Generation is near populated areas in Australia so can you define Pristine?
Please read about pollution and tell me the lead content in Avgas in Australian ports???
Air pollutants
Countries most Affected by Acid Rain
Remember I said pollution - your eye sores are not pollution by definition but un sightly. Dam fine chance all Wind Generation is near populated areas in Australia so can you define Pristine?
Please read about pollution and tell me the lead content in Avgas in Australian ports???
Air pollutants
...and look at maps. Band a Lot, the maps yer linked to dont make no sense. e.g. have a look at New Zealand.Keep in mind that the so-called acid rain scare of the 80's were shown to be thorougly overblown. Especially in the US. I'm not aware of any credible reports of acid rain here in OZ.
If yer worried about lead then i suggest you don't go to the beach as the sea spray from every wave has lead in it. And all that sea spray drys out on the beach bungalows and accumulates.... though all this has been covered in other threads.
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Oh, one thing i do a lot of is read.. ...and look at maps. Band a Lot, the maps yer linked to dont make no sense. e.g. have a look at New Zealand.
Keep in mind that the so-called acid rain scare of the 80's were shown to be thorougly overblown. Especially in the US. I'm not aware of any credible reports of acid rain here in OZ.
If yer worried about lead then i suggest you don't go to the beach as the sea spray from every wave has lead in it. And all that sea spray drys out on the beach bungalows and accumulates.... though all this has been covered in other threads.
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...and look at maps. Band a Lot, the maps yer linked to dont make no sense. e.g. have a look at New Zealand.Keep in mind that the so-called acid rain scare of the 80's were shown to be thorougly overblown. Especially in the US. I'm not aware of any credible reports of acid rain here in OZ.
If yer worried about lead then i suggest you don't go to the beach as the sea spray from every wave has lead in it. And all that sea spray drys out on the beach bungalows and accumulates.... though all this has been covered in other threads.
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Sunshine I did own a fuel company until recent, that still sold leaded fuel even thou 20 years prior most African countries did not sell leaded Avgas. WHY???
Whilst i think any electric people movers have a great future, there's still the issue of less then adequate batteries at this time. There's also the problem of the unreliable Oz power grid not being able to handle all the extra power hungry plug-ins. And thanks to the idiot greens Oz power will be third world reliable in a few short years.
For those that make their own power as per Dick Smith's idea of having a bank of solar panels to charge flying school aircraft just might run into the problem of affordable space. Many schools either rent their premises or lease from the airfield at a square metre rate. How many square metres required to fast charge an aircraft ? ...two aircraft ...three aircraft ...etc. ?
Our current avgas/kero powered fleet is doing stirling service for the farmers and many remote communities around Oz. Rubbishing the fuel source of our current aircraft fleet with false claims and repeating green hysteria just because somebody gots themselves an expensive new electric toy seems much like shooting oneself in the foot..
As Oz dont currently have nuclear power i'm a bit mystified what its got to do with this thread unless its to supply power to the grid that charges them electric aircraft. At any rate, there's certainly many ppruners who support nuclear power..
Fuel company ...and, Why ?
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For those that make their own power as per Dick Smith's idea of having a bank of solar panels to charge flying school aircraft just might run into the problem of affordable space. Many schools either rent their premises or lease from the airfield at a square metre rate. How many square metres required to fast charge an aircraft ? ...two aircraft ...three aircraft ...etc. ?
Our current avgas/kero powered fleet is doing stirling service for the farmers and many remote communities around Oz. Rubbishing the fuel source of our current aircraft fleet with false claims and repeating green hysteria just because somebody gots themselves an expensive new electric toy seems much like shooting oneself in the foot..
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you do not mind lets go to Japan, my sister did a school exchange for 12 months back in about 1984. It was a family in Fukushima that now has no home, well not one they can ever live in again, but they were lucky to live!
Sunshine I did own a fuel company until recent, that still sold leaded fuel even thou 20 years prior most African countries did not sell leaded Avgas. WHY???
you do not mind lets go to Japan, my sister did a school exchange for 12 months back in about 1984. It was a family in Fukushima that now has no home, well not one they can ever live in again, but they were lucky to live!
Sunshine I did own a fuel company until recent, that still sold leaded fuel even thou 20 years prior most African countries did not sell leaded Avgas. WHY???
Fuel company ...and, Why ?
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