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Old 26th Oct 2016, 06:08
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Flying instrument approaches under VFR

Hi all,

I understand that as a way of getting current (having not flown approaches in 90+ days) you are permitted to fly instrument approaches in VMC and this counts as meeting the currency requirement.

I was wondering whether these are able to be done under VFR or if the flight actually needs to be an IFR flight (but flown in VMC)?

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Old 26th Oct 2016, 11:48
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If you're not recent, you wouldn't be able to fly IFR as PIC.

The required approaches may be flown under the VFR, in VMC.

CASR 1998 61.870 will tell you what you want to know.

The definition of 'conduct' means anyone in a control seat can count the approach for recency.

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The required approaches may be flown under the VFR, in VMC.
Would ATC actually give you an ILS if you are operating on a VFR flight plan?
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 08:56
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Yes, pilots do practice ILS approaches all the time in VMC for renewal purposes. If you had filed a VFR flight plan when you ask for the ILS approach just add that it is for IFR renewal and they will understand.
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 09:14
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I will clear you for visual approach via the ILS. How you do that is up to you.
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It is all a CASA box ticking exercise in self-delusion. Instrument flying hours in the real aircraft in another era, meant hand flying in IMC. Autopilot IMC time was worth zero and not logged anyway. At interviews it was common for the interviewer to ask to see your log book and many looked specifically at your logged instrument flight time. Comparing that logged instrument time against your total flying hours soon exposed the fakers.

There is no means to reliably audit instrument flight time unless you are undergoing dual instruction at a flying school where the instructor signs your log book as correct.

After you have passed your initial instrument rating test with log book signed and certified correct before you leave your training facility, then because of lack of audit availability it is not uncommon for pilots to fake instrument flight time to make the CV look good. If the pilot is honest and refuses to fake his instrument flight time, then he runs the risk of being knocked back at an interview for perceived lack of instrument flight time. He is damned if he is dishonest and damned if he is honest.
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 20:35
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He is damned if he is dishonest and damned if he is honest.
Excellent and centrally relevant experience for the rest of his career.

Tell the complete truth to the DAME?

Enter that defect in the maintenance release?

Exceed flight and duty time limits?

Take off above MTOW?

Plenty more...
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