Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions
Reload this Page >

Where is the Cobham/AMSA SAR Challenger 604???

Wikiposts
Search
The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions The place for students, instructors and charter guys in Oz, NZ and the rest of Oceania.

Where is the Cobham/AMSA SAR Challenger 604???

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 18th Nov 2016, 03:21
  #121 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: act
Posts: 181
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
1 of 2 likely scenarios:

1. Wrong bleed configuration selected in FMS, resulting in Vspeeds and N1 data dropping out; or
2. Turned pitot heats on too early and cooked the probes, resulting in Vspeed and N1 data dropping out. Can't do anything about it until they have cooled down<40 degrees.

Old trap for newbies. But on the upside they didn't takeoff. Wouldn't be the first operator I know to just blast off.
Vref+5 is offline  
Old 18th Nov 2016, 03:29
  #122 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 460
Likes: 0
Received 46 Likes on 20 Posts
Better not to take off than become a long lawn dart.
havick is offline  
Old 18th Nov 2016, 09:27
  #123 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Here and there
Posts: 3,101
Received 14 Likes on 11 Posts
Could also be a mission equipment failure.
AerocatS2A is offline  
Old 18th Nov 2016, 22:58
  #124 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Australia
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Video of the 604 doing search training has been leaked....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3UblQ3kOg5o
Code.name is offline  
Old 1st Dec 2016, 22:42
  #125 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: OZ
Posts: 80
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
This has become a basket case, reduced capability, it will be over 6 months before the west gets any SAR capability. Cairns 2 months late, Essendon who knows.

Todays Australian

Troubled Bombardier Challenger rescue jets ready to fly

The long-delayed launch of the Australian Maritime Safety Authority’s new $604 million rescue jets is set for take-off this month, with the troubled Cobham-operated Bombardier Challenger aircraft finally receiving regulatory approvals needed to fly.

But the approvals have come with significant changes to the 12-year contract awarded to Cob-ham, with sources saying that as many as a dozen amendments have been made that could potentially reduce the search-and-*rescue capabilities of the jets.

Sources say the contract amendments include changes to the minimum allowed weight of safety stores and devices, and reduced fuel capacity when on standby.

The reduction to the minimum drop weight was made after a test of the aircraft was abandoned when supplies dropped from the plane — including a 38kg plastic tub — struck the jet’s engine cowling. AMSA said it was aware of the incident, which was reported to CASA as required.

AMSA and Cobham declined to comment on the contract changes, saying its terms were commercial in confidence. But the maritime safety authority did say that Cobham had redesigned its stores delivery system to accommodate the different speed of the new aircraft to ensure stores did not hit the fuselage in the future.

A spokeswoman for Cobham said the company was “fully *focused” on the launch of the first aircraft into service and that they would meet “all of the capability requirements set out by AMSA”.

With the amendments and aircraft redesigns in place, Cobham was able to successfully complete a proving flight on Monday under supervision from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.

“Cobham has received an air operator’s certificate to operate the CL604 aircraft. AMSA expects Cobham to commence service this month,” an AMSA spokesman said.

The commencement of the contract cannot come soon enough, with AMSA increasingly left without sufficient long-range search-and-rescue aircraft as its previous contract with Aero*Rescue and its fleet of Dornier aircraft comes to an end.

The Australian revealed last month that the four Cobham-*operated Challenger jets were supposed to be operating since August, when the first of four custom-fitted Challenger 604s was to begin flying out of Perth, but instead all of Western Australia has been without the long-range search-and-rescue aircraft since they ran into regulatory hurdles.

AMSA admitted that Cobham had experienced a number of delays in modification, integration and certification of the aircraft.

It said it would not make any payments to Cobham until the aircraft were fully operational.

The Cobham aircraft were to progressively replace the AeroRescue Dornier aircraft based in Perth, Cairns and Essendon.

While two of those Dorniers — one based in Brisbane and one based in Melbourne — are still in operation under the AeroRescue contract, they are some six hours away from Perth should an emergency situation unfold there.

A second Challenger aircraft to operate out of AMSA’s Cairns base was due to begin service in October but it too has been left without the jet. The third Challenger is scheduled to begin operations from Essendon this month and the fourth ancillary aircraft from March next year.

AMSA said Cobham was aiming to have all bases online by the end of February next year.
Dashunder is offline  
Old 1st Dec 2016, 22:46
  #126 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
When is late - too late, almost 4 months and no SAR aircraft in Perth. Nearly two months late for Cairns, by all accounts an incomplete and barely tasks capable aircraft will be there next week, using an inexperienced crew cobbled together from the ranks of people who can say they have been " checked". Adopt the position RCC, you are about to get a rogering.
FMTAfterburn is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2016, 22:28
  #127 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Australia
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by FMTAfterburn
When is late - too late, almost 4 months and no SAR aircraft in Perth. Nearly two months late for Cairns, by all accounts an incomplete and barely tasks capable aircraft will be there next week, using an inexperienced crew cobbled together from the ranks of people who can say they have been " checked". Adopt the position RCC, you are about to get a rogering.
Whats that old saying, "better late than never", which is the case here, but that saying would not go down well for some poor suffering sole in distress.

Maybe something like "better never than ever"
SpecMissGuru is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2016, 21:40
  #128 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: In the room next to the lift
Posts: 52
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
C604 in Cairns

XND is currently having a jolly taxy around Cairns taxiways and rwy15 at the moment. I believe that may be why JQ952 just conducted a missed approach...hopefully not the same reason as in Perth.
CaptainEmad is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2016, 23:52
  #129 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Whats was that?

Something broke on the take off roll. Abort. Get used to it
Its like an old holden
FMTAfterburn is offline  
Old 12th Dec 2016, 01:23
  #130 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Australia
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Aborted Takeoff

Originally Posted by CaptainEmad
XND is currently having a jolly taxy around Cairns taxiways and rwy15 at the moment. I believe that may be why JQ952 just conducted a missed approach...hopefully not the same reason as in Perth.
What was the reason in Perth??
SpecMissGuru is offline  
Old 13th Dec 2016, 00:06
  #131 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: In the bush
Posts: 80
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
sad day today seeing the EN base packing up the office and loading the aircraft with boxes and more boxes
continueapproach737 is offline  
Old 13th Dec 2016, 08:40
  #132 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by SpecMissGuru
What was the reason in Perth??

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gsTw9eSIQ6w
FMTAfterburn is offline  
Old 16th Dec 2016, 09:06
  #133 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,276
Received 37 Likes on 28 Posts
....#1 is a goer!!!

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ationa-432488/
TBM-Legend is offline  
Old 16th Dec 2016, 21:49
  #134 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
6 months late
TwistedWindsock is offline  
Old 16th Dec 2016, 22:03
  #135 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: In the bush
Posts: 80
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
better late than never?

Interesting to see the Dash 8's placed in Thursday Island, Darwin and Broome with Challenger is Perth, Melb and Cairns, perhaps some crossover on taskings
continueapproach737 is offline  
Old 17th Dec 2016, 05:14
  #136 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Farce

The press say Cobham created 30 new jobs, they didn't mention Cobham they ditched 30 experienced operators. Now everyone will be high fixing that there is an airframe in Cairns, they forget that it's drop system is dangerous and half the new sensors don't work. Let alone the long road to be travelled before the crew get their act together. Vomit worthy
FMTAfterburn is offline  
Old 17th Dec 2016, 08:10
  #137 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Brisvegas
Posts: 3,878
Likes: 0
Received 246 Likes on 106 Posts
but that saying would not go down well for some poor suffering sole in distress.


Sole in distress.



Soul in distress.

Any questions?
Icarus2001 is offline  
Old 17th Dec 2016, 10:19
  #138 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Seat 1A
Posts: 8,556
Received 75 Likes on 43 Posts
It's Christmas: treat yourself to a new pair of shoes, Iccy!
Capn Bloggs is offline  
Old 17th Dec 2016, 13:29
  #139 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Abeam YAYE
Posts: 335
Received 14 Likes on 10 Posts
Yes, Iccy, just one question.

Did the soulless EBA negotiations wrangle those sole-less shoes for the pilots too?

AFAP not at the table in SAR Pilot Award ??

...and could this SAR farce have been averted if Professional Pilots were involved at the very start to negotiate professional terms and conditions?

(Yeah, I know that's two. But the second question is rhetorical)

pithblot

Last edited by pithblot; 17th Dec 2016 at 13:53.
pithblot is offline  
Old 18th Dec 2016, 01:21
  #140 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Wherever the work is!
Posts: 157
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by continueapproach737
better late than never?

Interesting to see the Dash 8's placed in Thursday Island, Darwin and Broome with Challenger is Perth, Melb and Cairns, perhaps some crossover on taskings
There are Dashs on Thursday Island now?

As for crossover, the Dashs are often first on scene, but don't drop stores anymore. So no crossover. Unless Cobham wants to cut into their new contract at a (no doubt) lower rate than the 604.
777WakeTurbz is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.