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About time the OWT's about bricks and tins of beans thrown out the window, in relation to beach and/or salt pan ops were put to bed. I call bull****. Everyone has got/heard a similar story, no one I know would dare base their judgement on something so small, thrown (illegally!!!) from an aircraft in flight. Absolute fecking nonsense.
A mate used to carry a couple of bricks on board and throw one out the door to check the surface first. I remember he did it once and the brick went straight down and was nowhere to be seen so we didn't land there!
Some are out there living the dream and experiencing fun flying, landing on beaches, dry lakes, bush tracks and other fun places, whereas others are sitting at their computers posting in disbelief. One of the best places I've flown into wasn't an airport - a group of us was flying from Narromine to Melbourne, then spotted a Winnebago next to a nice horseshoe bend in a river, so the aircraft with the biggest tundras dropped into the paddock first to ask them if it was ok for us to camp there, then the rest of us dropped in. They offered us dinner, conversation, a campfire and a fun night. We offered them a flight in return. This is what private flying is all about. Fun and free - free from over regulation and the nay-sayers.
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OK, question here, would it really be illegal to drop a brick from an airplane in Oz? For the sake of the discussion, let's assume that we're dropping it on a dry lake bed, no person, livestock, structure or other property for miles, just empty lake bed. Would that be illegal?
If it fell out of its' own accord, then no. Of course then you land to retrieve it so as to avoid a poor 4x4 owner driving over it and damaging his vehicle. How convenient!
OK, question here, would it really be illegal to drop a brick from an airplane in Oz
There must be a law against it, here in Oz
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2015C00054
Bentleg,
Re. the brick (or can of coke etc) generally an offense, but I an certain some bush lawyer here will think up some outlandish scenario to the contrary.
Re. landing anywhere, brush up on ALAs. Not to mention sundry other local, state and federal legislation/regulation/ordinance that might have an impact, particularly anything to do with national parks, waterways, defence, or anything controlled by a local ALC.
Remember the good old days of flour bombing and streamer cutting competitions??
Seriously, this is a great example of the stifling Australian approach to aviation regulation.
The FAA/NZ CAA regulation is just two very short paragraphs.
The PAP/CASA Review draft Part 91 (1999) regulation was a single paragraph. At that time, the CASA Regulations/Orders, by comparison was 14/15 pages total. I don't know what the present page count is, probably not much different.
Tootle pip!!
Re. the brick (or can of coke etc) generally an offense, but I an certain some bush lawyer here will think up some outlandish scenario to the contrary.
Re. landing anywhere, brush up on ALAs. Not to mention sundry other local, state and federal legislation/regulation/ordinance that might have an impact, particularly anything to do with national parks, waterways, defence, or anything controlled by a local ALC.
Remember the good old days of flour bombing and streamer cutting competitions??
Seriously, this is a great example of the stifling Australian approach to aviation regulation.
The FAA/NZ CAA regulation is just two very short paragraphs.
The PAP/CASA Review draft Part 91 (1999) regulation was a single paragraph. At that time, the CASA Regulations/Orders, by comparison was 14/15 pages total. I don't know what the present page count is, probably not much different.
Tootle pip!!
Can someone point me to the training part of Part 61 that authorises the activity?
4.11 The pilot in command must be authorised under Part 61 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations 1998 to conduct the activity.
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FWIW, here is the sum total of guidance on throwing stuff out of your airplane in the US.
I've participated in airdrops from both ends, it can come in handy at times.
Sec. 91.15
Dropping objects.
No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to persons or property.
Dropping objects.
No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to persons or property.
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700
whereas others are sitting at their computers posting in disbelief...
It is not the beach and/or salt-pan landings upon which I call bull****. Quite the contrary. In years past, I have done many beach ops, in a Commercial capacity, in BN2, C172 and C177. Some days I would do 5 or more beach landings a day... quite far from merely sitting at my computer in envy of those "living the life".
No. Rather I AM calling bull**** on anyone espousing throwing a brick, can of peaches or whatever from an aircraft in-flight, expecting to base their judgement of the surface suitability on the behavior of that object.
The correct way to achieve the object here has been described previously in this thread.
The brick or can of peaches yarn makes a great "boys own" story, but to offer it as advice to someone planning an excursion to a place that may require assessment is in my opinion dangerous at best.
No. Rather I AM calling bull**** on anyone espousing throwing a brick, can of peaches or whatever from an aircraft in-flight, expecting to base their judgement of the surface suitability on the behavior of that object.
In this day and age the internet is your friend. Here you can scope an area from a satellite, look at weather, both historical and forecast, find out about tides and generally get some sort of picture at your leisure. If a salt pan is your thing, know about the moisture levels in the surrounds and stick as close to the edge as you can. IMHO there are far more fun places to land. Read, swimming, fishing, camping and a big fire at night.
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would much rather land on a beach obviously, as for my original question- i asked as landing on a beach is out of the question without tundra tyres on all but the hardest beach.. considering the tyre pressure on a 182 i regularly fly is around 50-55psi, over twice the equivalent pressure of a 4WD tyre on sand (which still sinks in) i think ill give it a miss!...
Indeed yes, Supermouse. Even on a hard beach you could probably land a 182. The problem comes when you start up to take off and the vibration of the engine causes the nosewheel to settle into damp sand and unless you have some casual bystanders and a long plank, you can easily look a bit silly. Please don't ask me how I know this.
