Biennial Flight Review - English Proficiency Test?
Dick's in a different category and I'm sick of his ways
It is obvious you even failed to read his post and interpret it. To save you scrolling back, Dick was asking about ELP assessment and how the industry was handling it with regard to flight reviews. Please show me where this information is available online. Dick was asking for industry experience.
You are clearly a dick basher and you should stop it before you go blind.
I read his post, though he's edited it now. I don't mind Dick, but I'm pissed off at his way of coming out with over the top statements, stirring up a bunch of brouhaha and only listening to what he wants to hear.
The regs and explanatory documents as they stand (and I'm not saying I like 'em) have all the info about what's required. Dick said
Yep, there is, that's what the regs read. Is it right or not? No, in my view, but that's not what he asked. On a broader note, my objection to Dick's online persona is his penchant for coming out with the most sweeping unfounded statements and provocative Dick Headlines, not doing his own homework but happy to say any kind of bull**** to support his stance.
So no, I won't stop Dick bashing - dick bashing's another story!
The regs and explanatory documents as they stand (and I'm not saying I like 'em) have all the info about what's required. Dick said
Can anyone advise if this is normal, or is there a particular reason for this test?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
So no, I won't stop Dick bashing - dick bashing's another story!
AOTW, perhaps you don't realise that there are a whole bunch of pilots (read thousands) out there who have no ELP on their licences. It only became mandatory in the last decade or so and only for new licence issues or if an existing licence is upgraded to a higher level (PPL to CPL etc).
I have had a CPL for 30 odd years and only got ELP on it a couple of years ago because I had to have it to assess ELP myself. CASA gave it to me, including the test for free. There is no charge to get ELP put on a licence (expect to pay for a test) and anything a flight school charges for the test is for their time only.
For an instructor to look and see if it is on your licence prior to conducting a flight review is a bit rich. Insisting you get it as part of an AFR is pure BS. I think what Dick is asking is if this is normal FR practice. I have never heard of it myself and never look to see if the applicant has it on flight reviews I conduct, but it would not surprise me at all if some in the industry see it as a cash cow.
Wrong, this is not what the regs read!
I have had a CPL for 30 odd years and only got ELP on it a couple of years ago because I had to have it to assess ELP myself. CASA gave it to me, including the test for free. There is no charge to get ELP put on a licence (expect to pay for a test) and anything a flight school charges for the test is for their time only.
For an instructor to look and see if it is on your licence prior to conducting a flight review is a bit rich. Insisting you get it as part of an AFR is pure BS. I think what Dick is asking is if this is normal FR practice. I have never heard of it myself and never look to see if the applicant has it on flight reviews I conduct, but it would not surprise me at all if some in the industry see it as a cash cow.
Yep, there is, that's what the regs read. Is it right or not.
Last edited by Aussie Bob; 27th May 2016 at 20:04.
AOTW wrote:
"I don't mind Dick, but I'm pissed off at his way of coming out with over the top statements, stirring up a bunch of brouhaha and only listening to what he wants to hear."
I agree.
Jumpnut wrote:
"Good ol' Tall Poppy Syndrome at its best."
I disagree.
"I don't mind Dick, but I'm pissed off at his way of coming out with over the top statements, stirring up a bunch of brouhaha and only listening to what he wants to hear."
I agree.
Jumpnut wrote:
"Good ol' Tall Poppy Syndrome at its best."
I disagree.
Wrong, this is not what the regs read!
If a pilot has an old CAR 5 Licence then after writing the FR on their licence and giving them the completed FR advice form (to send to CASA) I advise that he /she will need, 61-TX (something) conversion form to change to Part 61 Licence (first transaction with CASA post Part 61 implementation), ELP assessment (if required), possibly supply photos to CASA on 61 P form? (every 10 years if required) and check if they have valid ASIC or AVID. All these documents are required by CASA.
I do the ELP for free as part of the FR if they require it (takes little of my time anyway) I print the photo form and 61 TX form for them and tell them to send it all to CASA with their FR advice form. If they have no ASIC or AVID I tell them of their obligations. It is up to them as to whether or not they comply with the laws. I view the FR as an educational opportunity to bring them up to date on the new system and rules.
I do the ELP for free as part of the FR if they require it (takes little of my time anyway) I print the photo form and 61 TX form for them and tell them to send it all to CASA with their FR advice form. If they have no ASIC or AVID I tell them of their obligations. It is up to them as to whether or not they comply with the laws. I view the FR as an educational opportunity to bring them up to date on the new system and rules.
ELP assessment is not required to transition to a Part 61 licence. Nor is it required for a flight review, but good on you for providing it for free. IMHO it should be provided free as part of any flight test when the testing pilot has the capability. 
