Aviation Political issues for Election 2016
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Aviation Political issues for Election 2016
Can anyone tell me what issues the Aviation lobby is fighting for this year?
..is it CASA's over-regulation issues as identified by AMROBA, RAAA and the like, that are destroying the industry's viability, robbing us of Mr Turnbulls's much-spruiked "innovation" and "agility"?
...or is it the industry-destroying issue of military airspace, Radio frequencies on maps, esoteric Airspace definitions and the odd missed radio call? The crushing unfairness of Cessna's inspection program for the Cessna C208?
This is the Professional Pilot's Rumour Network, not the Electronics and Publishing Mogul's Aviation Enthusiast Support Network.
Does Dick represent YOUR concerns about YOUR chosen profession and career?
As an operator of 7 aircraft and an employer (over the years) of over 40 pilots, I can't say the issues raised by Dick present more than an irritation to my business. I can't help wonering if, in the lead-up to the election, we here are falling for a conjuror's trick.
Here we are waving our willies in the air at... well, waving our Willies at Dick.
...while the very real and very expensive issues raised by REAL industry players go unheeded.
Unite! unite - let's ignore the sideshow. What is costing you your prosperity? Why is the industry flagging? It's not because Willy has an extra 5nm to the west (no matter how irritating it is to me).
Dick is wonderful in a great many ways - but he and his cheer squad of ex-AOPA ex-luminaries will not help us in aviation's fight for survival.
..is it CASA's over-regulation issues as identified by AMROBA, RAAA and the like, that are destroying the industry's viability, robbing us of Mr Turnbulls's much-spruiked "innovation" and "agility"?
...or is it the industry-destroying issue of military airspace, Radio frequencies on maps, esoteric Airspace definitions and the odd missed radio call? The crushing unfairness of Cessna's inspection program for the Cessna C208?
This is the Professional Pilot's Rumour Network, not the Electronics and Publishing Mogul's Aviation Enthusiast Support Network.
Does Dick represent YOUR concerns about YOUR chosen profession and career?
As an operator of 7 aircraft and an employer (over the years) of over 40 pilots, I can't say the issues raised by Dick present more than an irritation to my business. I can't help wonering if, in the lead-up to the election, we here are falling for a conjuror's trick.
Here we are waving our willies in the air at... well, waving our Willies at Dick.
...while the very real and very expensive issues raised by REAL industry players go unheeded.
Unite! unite - let's ignore the sideshow. What is costing you your prosperity? Why is the industry flagging? It's not because Willy has an extra 5nm to the west (no matter how irritating it is to me).
Dick is wonderful in a great many ways - but he and his cheer squad of ex-AOPA ex-luminaries will not help us in aviation's fight for survival.
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Those failing to see the possibility of a turning point and coincidentally during an election campaign, will continue to be part of the problem. It's time for everyone to rally around the AOPA initiative.
Horatio, I have to say I enjoy reading just about everything you put up here and agree with your points, that being said, out of interest, have you ever had a face to face chat with Dick? It seems like one of his biggest gripes that is not Aviation related is those who a snipe at him on forums such as here but don't approach him directly. Surely instead of butting heads the pair of you working together to find actual solutions based on both of your perspectives (Business and Pleasure it would seem) a lot more could be accomplished. Wouldn't that be "Uniting"? Two heads are better than one? ying and yang? all that kind of fun stuff?
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Surely instead of butting heads
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Ixy,
I have spoken to Dick several times but he was not interested in meeting or working together; he was gracious enough to wish me good luck with my business.
Dick's issues are legitimate but if you fix all Dick's aviation issues GA will still die in 5-10 years.
Styx75,
I assure you I am not beating Mr Smith but just trying to highlight that the issues he raises on PPRuNe, generating much heat and noise, are irritations....not actually the core issues that beset the industry.
I have spoken to Dick several times but he was not interested in meeting or working together; he was gracious enough to wish me good luck with my business.
Dick's issues are legitimate but if you fix all Dick's aviation issues GA will still die in 5-10 years.
Styx75,
Did you have a solution or did you just want a thinly veiled opportunity to beat Mr Smith?
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Australian voters, like pilots, don't vote for people or political party's. They vote against people or political party's. The ALP are particularly rabid in this area. Many don't particularly like their own mob, but they detest the others more. Reverse psychology? maybe, but hate is a stronger emotion.
If you are NOT a member of AOPA, then NOW might be a 'good time' to consider joining.
IMHO.
You've heard it all before...'United We Stand...' etc
With around 88 days or so till the next election, it might even be a 'good time' to seek out your local candidates and see what can be done at that level...?
Cheers
IMHO.
You've heard it all before...'United We Stand...' etc
With around 88 days or so till the next election, it might even be a 'good time' to seek out your local candidates and see what can be done at that level...?
Cheers
With around 88 days or so till the next election, it might even be a 'good time' to seek out your local candidates and see what can be done at that level...?
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. . . .that's precisely what happens when one meets Dick Smith if you have an opposing view. It's a one-way conversation. Sad but true.
Those failing to see the possibility of a turning point and coincidentally during an election campaign, will continue to be part of the problem. It's time for everyone to rally around the AOPA initiative.
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.. . . and clearly, the best practical way for the 'little man' to lend his support and his voice to reform and new initiatives is to take that modest leap of faith by joining up . .. .
http://www.aopa.com.au/member-services/join
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I buttonholed Barnaby at Politics in the Pub last week - I raised the issues of:
1/. massive increase in regulatory workload and cost for zero reduction in risk; and
2/. unworkable turnaround times for regulatory services, making the idea of commercial "agility" a sad joke.
His response started with "Aviation legislation is a witches' brew which nobody in their right mind wants to become ensnared in - which is why I didn't want to become Transport Minister".
He went on to make the commitment in front of the crowd that he would get me in front of Darren Chester as part of a local Delegation.
I know Barnaby "Gets it" (all 4 charter operators in his electorate give him heaps) but we have to package aviation legislation and structural reform in a way that whoever does it can't be immediately attacked by the other side as "unravelling Aviation Safety" or otherwise imperilling the safety of the General Public.
1/. massive increase in regulatory workload and cost for zero reduction in risk; and
2/. unworkable turnaround times for regulatory services, making the idea of commercial "agility" a sad joke.
His response started with "Aviation legislation is a witches' brew which nobody in their right mind wants to become ensnared in - which is why I didn't want to become Transport Minister".
He went on to make the commitment in front of the crowd that he would get me in front of Darren Chester as part of a local Delegation.
I know Barnaby "Gets it" (all 4 charter operators in his electorate give him heaps) but we have to package aviation legislation and structural reform in a way that whoever does it can't be immediately attacked by the other side as "unravelling Aviation Safety" or otherwise imperilling the safety of the General Public.
The real answer to our mess is to campaign for simple rules and less of them, not more, and strict liability has no place in aviation law. How do we do that? Well basic education at all levels is the key along with a level of trust of all involved.
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"(all 4 charter operators in his electorate give him heaps)"
Jeez Horatio, he must have the last remaining operators in Australia in his electorate, I didn't think there were that many left in OZ.
For as long as the industry continues to approach the problems through blinkered
narrow focused, self interest eyes, the Murky Mandarin and his CAsA acolytes will continue to work their divide and conquer strategy, costs will continue to become even more unsustainable and the industry will continue to decline.
I understand the AOPA's attempts to gain some political traction through their Eureka project has seen almost all the various self interest associations disassociate themselves from it.
Very disappointing. Until the industry stands with a united front CAsA will continue to pick off individual dissenters and manipulate the political agenda.
Australia will be so "Safe" nobody will be able to afford it.
Jeez Horatio, he must have the last remaining operators in Australia in his electorate, I didn't think there were that many left in OZ.
For as long as the industry continues to approach the problems through blinkered
narrow focused, self interest eyes, the Murky Mandarin and his CAsA acolytes will continue to work their divide and conquer strategy, costs will continue to become even more unsustainable and the industry will continue to decline.
I understand the AOPA's attempts to gain some political traction through their Eureka project has seen almost all the various self interest associations disassociate themselves from it.
Very disappointing. Until the industry stands with a united front CAsA will continue to pick off individual dissenters and manipulate the political agenda.
Australia will be so "Safe" nobody will be able to afford it.
Horatio, I see, that is unfortunate, I expected Dick to be a bit more agreeable, even if he didn't necessarily consider your ideas a priority that he would at least come to the conclusion that giving someone with an opposing view a seat at his table and a voice would be beneficial to us all.
Glad to see he had some grace to him, but not so great that he can't see your view isn't opposing but just tackling another side of the issue that does need to be addressed.
Glad to see he had some grace to him, but not so great that he can't see your view isn't opposing but just tackling another side of the issue that does need to be addressed.
Horatio. Why don't you give me a ring?
I can assist with major cost reductions. One
day I will show you a list of the cost reductions I introduced.
Unfortunately I cannot identify you therefore remember what we spoke about. I get up to 100 requests a week from people who just want to spend 20 minutes with me. Unfortunarly can't cope as only 25 hours in a day.
But as a Pprune poster I would give you any time you wanted!
I can assist with major cost reductions. One
day I will show you a list of the cost reductions I introduced.
Unfortunately I cannot identify you therefore remember what we spoke about. I get up to 100 requests a week from people who just want to spend 20 minutes with me. Unfortunarly can't cope as only 25 hours in a day.
But as a Pprune poster I would give you any time you wanted!
"I get up to 100 requests a week from people who just want to spend 20 minutes with me. Unfortunarly can't cope as only 25 hours in a day."
Brilliant stuff!
(Those small businesses that employ pretty oriental ladies are booming in Sydney.)
Brilliant stuff!
(Those small businesses that employ pretty oriental ladies are booming in Sydney.)
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Dick and others,
Just submitted to Barnaby's office this evening. I will be in Tamworth on Monday 11th to Wednesday 13th at Hangar 6, Tamworth Regional Airport.
I have meetings with Tony Windsor and the newspapers and television are organised. The state of the aviation industry, the cause of its decline and the impact on regional Australia are key issues for the New England electorate and the upcoming election.
Any aircraft owners, pilots, aviation businesses or other supporters interested in meeting up during my visit, please reach out and make contact.
If you are all interested, I will put on a free BBQ lunch tuseday 12th April at Hangar 6, Tamworth Regional Airport. Make the effort, come on down and lets have a discussion about creating some change.
Lets start pushing this forward.
Benjamin Morgan
Aviation Advertiser - Australia.
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8th April 2016.
The Hon Barnaby Joyce
Minister for Agriculture and Water Resources
House of Representatives
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
Australia.
The 94,000+ Users of the Aviation Advertiser Network
Dear Minister Joyce,
NEW ENGLAND DEMANDS AVIATION REGULATORY REFORM.
Aviation Advertiser is Australia’s largest online aircraft marketplace and has been operating since 2008. Our digital services are used by over 94,000+ persons across Australia and New Zealand. We provide the Australian aviation industry with aircraft sales, marketing and advertising services.
Aside from our commercial activities within aviation, our organisation also works alongside Australia’s leading aviation associations and peak-bodies. Standing with industry, with regard to leading advocacy and developing regulatory reform.
Aviation Advertiser has recently acquired an airside facility at Tamworth Regional Airport, that forms part of our national aircraft sales, marketing and aircraft maintenance network. We will be working alongside Tamworth Regional Airport and the aircraft owners and pilots of the New England electorate in helping develop regional aviation and employment.
Through the course of normal business, Aviation Advertiser is in direct regular communication with a broad spectrum of aviation users. Students, recreational, private and commercial pilots, private and commercial aircraft owners and aviation businesses. Many of these hard working men and women reside in your electorate, New England.
Constituents whom are desperately concerned for the future of small to medium sized aviation in Australia and for the future of rural communities that depend on their services.
As a result of successive failures by both the Labor and Liberal Governments to implement balanced and appropriate aviation policy over the past 25 years, the aviation industry in Australia has been forced into decline and soon - total destruction.
The cause of the aviation industry’s decline is clear and is virtually unanimously agreed on by Australia’s leading aviation associations, peak-bodies, businesses, pilots and aircraft owners.
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority regulatory framework.
A regulatory framework which has been forced on the Australian aviation industry, with total disregard as to the imposed costs and damage it would inflict on the aviation economy.
If the situation continues without change, CASA will soon have achieved a result, no other aviation regulator in the world would have thought possible. A totally 100% safe aviation industry - whereby nobody flies unless you are a domestic or international airline.
Across Australia private owners, farmers and primary producers are being forced to sell off their aircraft and exit the aviation industry - as a result of excessive compliance costs. The knock on effects now being felt by maintenance providers, fight training schools and support service companies. The economic loss and impact could run as high as $500 million, with thousands unemployed.
Is the destruction of the small to medium sized aviation industry in the interests of Australian Agriculture portfolio or the constituents of New England?
Across regional Australia, local airports are desperate for small to medium sized aviation to connect and service their communities. Local Governments want to see their airports become economic drivers for their shires and regions. Bringing to their communities growth, employment and opportunity.
This will not be possible until the Federal Government comprehensively reforms aviation regulation. Provides an economic pathway for growth and opportunity.
I have now worked as part of the aviation industry long enough to see Ministers come and go. Ministers whom hide behind white paper studies, who refuse to give direct answers to industry and who fail to provide informed policy direction or leadership on the issue of aviation regulatory reform.
Ministers who perceive aviation safety to be a ‘witches brew’, far too complicated to become politically embroiled.
The hard working men and women in the aviation industry in this country deserve better and demand leadership.
I shall be in Tamworth from Monday 11th to 13th April 2016 for a range of newspaper and television media engagements and would like to meet with you to discuss the above. If you could please make time to meet with me, both I and the aviation industry would appreciate it.
In the meantime, if you would like discuss any of the above, please feel free to contact me.
Best regards,
BENJAMIN MORGAN
Chief Executive - Aviation Advertiser Digital Group
Just submitted to Barnaby's office this evening. I will be in Tamworth on Monday 11th to Wednesday 13th at Hangar 6, Tamworth Regional Airport.
I have meetings with Tony Windsor and the newspapers and television are organised. The state of the aviation industry, the cause of its decline and the impact on regional Australia are key issues for the New England electorate and the upcoming election.
Any aircraft owners, pilots, aviation businesses or other supporters interested in meeting up during my visit, please reach out and make contact.
If you are all interested, I will put on a free BBQ lunch tuseday 12th April at Hangar 6, Tamworth Regional Airport. Make the effort, come on down and lets have a discussion about creating some change.
Lets start pushing this forward.
Benjamin Morgan
Aviation Advertiser - Australia.
---------------------------------
8th April 2016.
The Hon Barnaby Joyce
Minister for Agriculture and Water Resources
House of Representatives
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
Australia.
The 94,000+ Users of the Aviation Advertiser Network
Dear Minister Joyce,
NEW ENGLAND DEMANDS AVIATION REGULATORY REFORM.
Aviation Advertiser is Australia’s largest online aircraft marketplace and has been operating since 2008. Our digital services are used by over 94,000+ persons across Australia and New Zealand. We provide the Australian aviation industry with aircraft sales, marketing and advertising services.
Aside from our commercial activities within aviation, our organisation also works alongside Australia’s leading aviation associations and peak-bodies. Standing with industry, with regard to leading advocacy and developing regulatory reform.
Aviation Advertiser has recently acquired an airside facility at Tamworth Regional Airport, that forms part of our national aircraft sales, marketing and aircraft maintenance network. We will be working alongside Tamworth Regional Airport and the aircraft owners and pilots of the New England electorate in helping develop regional aviation and employment.
Through the course of normal business, Aviation Advertiser is in direct regular communication with a broad spectrum of aviation users. Students, recreational, private and commercial pilots, private and commercial aircraft owners and aviation businesses. Many of these hard working men and women reside in your electorate, New England.
Constituents whom are desperately concerned for the future of small to medium sized aviation in Australia and for the future of rural communities that depend on their services.
As a result of successive failures by both the Labor and Liberal Governments to implement balanced and appropriate aviation policy over the past 25 years, the aviation industry in Australia has been forced into decline and soon - total destruction.
The cause of the aviation industry’s decline is clear and is virtually unanimously agreed on by Australia’s leading aviation associations, peak-bodies, businesses, pilots and aircraft owners.
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority regulatory framework.
A regulatory framework which has been forced on the Australian aviation industry, with total disregard as to the imposed costs and damage it would inflict on the aviation economy.
If the situation continues without change, CASA will soon have achieved a result, no other aviation regulator in the world would have thought possible. A totally 100% safe aviation industry - whereby nobody flies unless you are a domestic or international airline.
Across Australia private owners, farmers and primary producers are being forced to sell off their aircraft and exit the aviation industry - as a result of excessive compliance costs. The knock on effects now being felt by maintenance providers, fight training schools and support service companies. The economic loss and impact could run as high as $500 million, with thousands unemployed.
Is the destruction of the small to medium sized aviation industry in the interests of Australian Agriculture portfolio or the constituents of New England?
Across regional Australia, local airports are desperate for small to medium sized aviation to connect and service their communities. Local Governments want to see their airports become economic drivers for their shires and regions. Bringing to their communities growth, employment and opportunity.
This will not be possible until the Federal Government comprehensively reforms aviation regulation. Provides an economic pathway for growth and opportunity.
I have now worked as part of the aviation industry long enough to see Ministers come and go. Ministers whom hide behind white paper studies, who refuse to give direct answers to industry and who fail to provide informed policy direction or leadership on the issue of aviation regulatory reform.
Ministers who perceive aviation safety to be a ‘witches brew’, far too complicated to become politically embroiled.
The hard working men and women in the aviation industry in this country deserve better and demand leadership.
I shall be in Tamworth from Monday 11th to 13th April 2016 for a range of newspaper and television media engagements and would like to meet with you to discuss the above. If you could please make time to meet with me, both I and the aviation industry would appreciate it.
In the meantime, if you would like discuss any of the above, please feel free to contact me.
Best regards,
BENJAMIN MORGAN
Chief Executive - Aviation Advertiser Digital Group
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Morgs,
Is it coincidence that I will be meeting with DB and PM at your hangar at that time?
See you Tuesday.
Name is Porter, should you bring your IFR Studes up to Tamworth on Tuesday? The ILS costs you $60 but doesn't need slots!
Is it coincidence that I will be meeting with DB and PM at your hangar at that time?
See you Tuesday.
Name is Porter, should you bring your IFR Studes up to Tamworth on Tuesday? The ILS costs you $60 but doesn't need slots!