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Old 13th Mar 2016, 09:16
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Another Yarrawonga Trike Accident

Sad news today that another trike has crashed and killed another 2 trike pilots in Yarrawonga.
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I would be checking the standards of training up there.

There seem to be way too many accidents in this region, many more than anywhere else and you wonder if these people are being trained properly.

Another 2 fine aviators lost before their time and another bad weekend for aviation.
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Originally Posted by mcoates
I would be checking the standards of training up there.

There seem to be way too many accidents in this region, many more than anywhere else and you wonder if these people are being trained properly.

Another 2 fine aviators lost before their time and another bad weekend for aviation.
Probably need to know where the pilot was trained before sticking pins into the local organisation...even better, wait for some facts as to the cause of this fatality. Last one I knew about from up there was a heart attack I seem to recall.

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Would a heart attack take out an aircraft with two trained pilots and dual controls?
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Would a heart attack cause someone to take off just before sunset to fly 50 miles and then run out of daylight, try and put it down and fatally hit a windmill?
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Cootamundra is a long way from Yarrawonga, Squawkie...not sure what your point is.

My mate had a heart attack flying back to Yarrawonga in a trike and was killed. He was trained there but I guess that's hardly relevant.

I don't know what the cause of this latest tragedy was but I'll wait until some facts are revealed before speculating.

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Can trikes handle negative G?
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Originally Posted by kaz3g
Cootamundra is a long way from Yarrawonga, Squawkie...not sure what your point is.

My mate had a heart attack flying back to Yarrawonga in a trike and was killed. He was trained there but I guess that's hardly relevant.

I don't know what the cause of this latest tragedy was but I'll wait until some facts are revealed before speculating.

Kaz
Thanks Kaz, some sensibility needed on this thread. I get the feeling the knives are out. (Again)
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Apologies if I got anything mixed up as I thought the Cootamundra incident involved a Yarrawonga trained or based trike. One of the above or possibly none as has been suggested. Back in my box.
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Has anyone noticed that YFT has some rather misleading statements on their website?

where all the aircraft are built conforming to CASA’s stringent regulations for aircraft manufacture and testing (including structural load tests to forces of 6g – three times that of a jumbo jet!) and the aircraft must each subsequently pass an inspection and a flight test.
Unlike many high profile recreational and general aviation aircraft, an Airborne trike is fully certified, and is actually a Primary Category Aircraft, just like a Boeing 747 and an Airbus A-380.
1. Airborne make LSAs as well as Primary Category aircraft
2. Their aircraft have load limits of +4/-0, compared to +2.5/-1 for transport category
3. Their certificated aircraft in the primary category (limited to 1225kg MTOW - how many 747s and A380s are in that category) are tested to BCAR-S (as opposed to FAR23, or JAR-VLA, etc) - a microlight standard.
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so, a 747 is only structurally load tested to +2G.... Bollocks.
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Friend one of first on scene of plane tragedy | The Border Mail


The above story suggests the passenger was a cameraman filming for a TV show.
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Negative g in a trike is not good


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U_vbrM...eZvv-U&noapp=1
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The above quote appears to be marketing fluff. As for the below, I'm not sure...

Mr McLean said the trikes were “the safest aircraft in the world” but the most dangerous time was during landing.

The design of the aircraft meant it had to be flown at high speeds to avoid crashing.
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My memories of this morning's ARFOR was that it predicted MOD TURB BLW 8000' IN THERMALS / DUST DEVILS.

(or words to that effect)

At MTOW, they seem to have about 33kg/m^2 wing loading, so would be feeling every little bit of that turbulence. I know I felt it plenty in the 152 last week at 40% more wing loading.
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Originally Posted by outlandishoutlanding
Has anyone noticed that YFT has some rather misleading statements on their website?



1. Airborne make LSAs as well as Primary Category aircraft
2. Their aircraft have load limits of +4/-0, compared to +2.5/-1 for transport category
3. Their certificated aircraft in the primary category (limited to 1225kg MTOW - how many 747s and A380s are in that category) are tested to BCAR-S (as opposed to FAR23, or JAR-VLA, etc) - a microlight standard.
No, I haven't noticed. Can you please direct me to where this info is on the YFT site.
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Mere puffery, you say? No objective comparators like 'same as 747' or 'three times that of a jumbo jet'?

Faster than a speeding bullet! Puffery and performance characteristics in the 21st century | Clayton Utz

Fatyak: that which you quoted is my own writing. It's obtained from the Airborne Edge XT POH as well as its CASA type certificate at https://www.casa.gov.au/sites/g/file...load/va513.pdf

That Airborne make LSAs can be found on their website.
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Originally Posted by outlandishoutlanding
Mere puffery, you say? No objective comparators like 'same as 747' or 'three times that of a jumbo jet'?

Faster than a speeding bullet! Puffery and performance characteristics in the 21st century | Clayton Utz

Fatyak: that which you quoted is my own writing. It's obtained from the Airborne Edge XT POH as well as its CASA type certificate at [url]https://www.casa.gov.au/sites/g/files/net351/f/_assets/main/casadata/cota/download/va513.pdf


That Airborne make LSAs can be found on their website.
What was your motive then in posting that the information was on the YFT site.
Your actions appear to be malicious
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Sorry outlandish, our you now saying that you did not find it on the YFT site ?
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Originally Posted by Cloudee
Friend one of first on scene of plane tragedy | The Border Mail


The above story suggests the passenger was a cameraman filming for a TV show.
Plane crash victims in Yarrawonga to film The Amazing Race
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