What year did the RAAF flying school close at Tamworth?
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What year did the RAAF flying school close at Tamworth?
At the conclusion to one hour of my life, (which I'll never get back), Tony Windsor waffled on about this closure and had a whine about Adelaide getting the Defence jobs. I have it in the back of my head that it closed during the rule of the Oakshot/Windsor/Labor/Greens coalition. Someone please tell me it was those nasty LNP people who did it to teach the good folk of New England a lesson in who not to vote for. It would seem either way he caused it.
It isn't closed, ADF BFTS is still at Tamworth and will be for another two years.
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So what's Windsor on about? When did BAE loose the contract? Who is the current incumbent doing the training or is it in house RAAF?
Hi Frank,
The final announcement about the ADF flight training was only made late last year I think. It will continue until 2018 or 2019 or something.
Barnaby wasn't very happy, it was the second sh*t sandwich he has had to serve up to his electorate that year with the Shenhua Coal approval winning him no points with the Liverpool Plains mob. "Minister for agriculture unable to protect agriculture in own electorate".
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Tony Windsor is a Tamworth-based politician. Unable to win pre-selection for the National Party, he ran as an independent and won.
He was one of the 3 ex-National Party rogues who handed government to Julia Gillard to form minority government.
Many in his electorate consider him a traitor for doing so, and regard his anti-coal stance as deeply hypocritical given that he sold his family farm to Whitehaven Coal.
The final announcement about the ADF flight training was only made late last year I think. It will continue until 2018 or 2019 or something.
Barnaby wasn't very happy, it was the second sh*t sandwich he has had to serve up to his electorate that year with the Shenhua Coal approval winning him no points with the Liverpool Plains mob. "Minister for agriculture unable to protect agriculture in own electorate".
Stationair8,
Tony Windsor is a Tamworth-based politician. Unable to win pre-selection for the National Party, he ran as an independent and won.
He was one of the 3 ex-National Party rogues who handed government to Julia Gillard to form minority government.
Many in his electorate consider him a traitor for doing so, and regard his anti-coal stance as deeply hypocritical given that he sold his family farm to Whitehaven Coal.
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Still begs the question, when and who was in charge when Tamworth and the good folk of New England lost a money spinner.
Perhaps Barnaby may consider some points on the board that would benefit both his constituents and aviation in general.
I say this because I know many of the "wash outs" are in GA right now looking to advance their careers. I don't say this out of disrespect but to highlight that grass roots aviation is there and alive in many forms.
Maybe Barnaby should ask the new aviation adviser to advise the Minister for things flying to look at it.
It's not as if the relevant Minister has anything to do right now except fall into line with the status quo.
Something for you to look into Horatio?
Perhaps Barnaby may consider some points on the board that would benefit both his constituents and aviation in general.
I say this because I know many of the "wash outs" are in GA right now looking to advance their careers. I don't say this out of disrespect but to highlight that grass roots aviation is there and alive in many forms.
Maybe Barnaby should ask the new aviation adviser to advise the Minister for things flying to look at it.
It's not as if the relevant Minister has anything to do right now except fall into line with the status quo.
Something for you to look into Horatio?
Decision has been made and contracts signed I suspect. The whole lot is going to Sale.
What will BAe do with the real estate? Dunno. Word is they have RTO consultants in there at the moment and they will be heading towards Airline training
All their Tamworth Defence clients would follow the ADF I suspect.
Not sure what I could/should look into, Frank.
What will BAe do with the real estate? Dunno. Word is they have RTO consultants in there at the moment and they will be heading towards Airline training
All their Tamworth Defence clients would follow the ADF I suspect.
Not sure what I could/should look into, Frank.
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Not sure if you are a constituent or nearby, but GA in Tamworth mate. Mention it to Barnaby, can't hurt. Emphasize the grass roots aspect and how wash outs are still alive and looking for jobs. You know, how you keep telling all to keep talking to politicians. Or if you can't be bothered...
Its probably just being unlucky when it comes to being a politician and having a business decision go the wrong way for your local area.
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Windsor politicized it today on ABC TV. Has a bee in his bonnet about money going to SA for subs etc and blames Joyce for it all.
I don't give a rats about who won or lost or provided the best service for taxpayer dollar, just thinking out aloud how GA could use his diatribe to fixate Barnaby Joyce and benefit the local industry.
But then again the Australian aviation disease strikes. Nowhere else in the world, just here.
Fight you bastards, I give up.
I don't give a rats about who won or lost or provided the best service for taxpayer dollar, just thinking out aloud how GA could use his diatribe to fixate Barnaby Joyce and benefit the local industry.
But then again the Australian aviation disease strikes. Nowhere else in the world, just here.
Fight you bastards, I give up.
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Minor side drift...
I fail to understand how BAE losing a tender because they didn't provide a superior military training solution
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Frank
I say this because I know many of the "wash outs" are in GA right now looking to advance their careers
Fortunately for him he has since moved on.
He won't be the only one
Frank
The current government signed the contract with Lockheed Martin last December.
It will see BFTS and 2FTS shift from Tamworth and Pearce to East Sale, with ops commencing in early 2019.
The course will be based around simulators and PC 21 aircraft.
The current government signed the contract with Lockheed Martin last December.
It will see BFTS and 2FTS shift from Tamworth and Pearce to East Sale, with ops commencing in early 2019.
The course will be based around simulators and PC 21 aircraft.
Not sure if you are a constituent or nearby, but GA in Tamworth mate.
A longish tirade about improving policy to support aviation in regional areas resulted in a letter to the minister for transport, who then sent a Ministerial to the Tamworth office for a "please explain why this constituent is writing this?" letter.
Team Leader then rang me and expressed his displeasure that I had bothered the political masters and ruined his day.
Stupid byut entirely predictable thing is, Nothing in the letter was aimed at Tamworth and all of it was at Canberra and the policy in the head shed.
Got a letter back from BJ's office in due course "Please find attached correspondence form the Minister for Transport" etc etc etc.
"CASA is doing a very important job reforming the regulations for all Australians in line with its international commitments to Aviation Safety... CASA consults extensively with industry... Mr Leafblower met with the DAS and provided extensive valuable feedback... thank you for the letter from your constituent... blah blah blah"
Waste of time mate.
This is, however, an opportunity to make BJ's seat marginal or, as others have posted, and the SMH hopes, boot him out.
I fail to see how BJ will be able to influence the transport portfolio.
Whether Barnaby Joyce or Tony Windsor win the seat of New England at the next Federal Election, nothing will change for GA.
That's rather sad but I believe that it's the actuality.
Who really still believe that politicians really act in the best interests of their constituents?
That's rather sad but I believe that it's the actuality.
Who really still believe that politicians really act in the best interests of their constituents?
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At least HL got a letter back which is more than anyone did before Truss ran out of ink. Joyce is the leader and deputy PM so should pull rank over his "aviation minister". I too have had a gutful of politicians. I'm thinking more like a donkey each day.
plonkers...
Some Truss ink produced a letter back from an underling telling how safe it all is in Oz, good wx, flat country (mainly) and all due to world beating SAFETY regulations by the world leader CAsA. 
All the usual crapspeak.
Next election Frank, if you turn up just draw in another square, write DONKEY beside it and give it a BIG tick.
The energies of Pollie Wafflers are all put into either retaining power or getting back in...the problems posed by any constituents just fall by the wayside.
We could bombard Darren and Steven with letters telling it like it is...just like the ASRR, and would it do any good.? Think not
Result...NIX NOUGHT SFA.
They'll pass it on to CAsA where the professional spin doctors and bullsh*t artists will respond how they are keeping the world safe from falling aeroplanes and 30,000 ft death plunges.
So its all good , Nothing to worry about here. And they believe it
All the usual crapspeak.Next election Frank, if you turn up just draw in another square, write DONKEY beside it and give it a BIG tick.
The energies of Pollie Wafflers are all put into either retaining power or getting back in...the problems posed by any constituents just fall by the wayside.
We could bombard Darren and Steven with letters telling it like it is...just like the ASRR, and would it do any good.? Think not
Result...NIX NOUGHT SFA.
They'll pass it on to CAsA where the professional spin doctors and bullsh*t artists will respond how they are keeping the world safe from falling aeroplanes and 30,000 ft death plunges.
So its all good , Nothing to worry about here. And they believe it
Aroa's nailed it.
Off on a delegation to meet my (soon to be ex-) local member today, on a non-aviation matter.
Some time last year I spent a number of hours explaining it all to him and why it is so fkn hard to stay in busines in GA. I explained where the bottle necks seemed to be, and where and how the "QANTAS-size fits all" expectations are crushing the small businesses in red tape and compliance expense.
"You make some good points. I'll get onto Albo and see where the opportunities are for us to do something".
A couple of weeks later I received a phone call back from Joel (credit where it's due) and his response was:
"The problem with Aviation is that everyone thinks it's unsafe, so once these requirements come in it becomes very very hard to remove them, no matter how compelling the case. So... I'm afraid I don't think we can help you, Horatio".
We shall battle on.
Anyone want to run for the Senate on an Aviation reform package?
Off on a delegation to meet my (soon to be ex-) local member today, on a non-aviation matter.
Some time last year I spent a number of hours explaining it all to him and why it is so fkn hard to stay in busines in GA. I explained where the bottle necks seemed to be, and where and how the "QANTAS-size fits all" expectations are crushing the small businesses in red tape and compliance expense.
"You make some good points. I'll get onto Albo and see where the opportunities are for us to do something".
A couple of weeks later I received a phone call back from Joel (credit where it's due) and his response was:
"The problem with Aviation is that everyone thinks it's unsafe, so once these requirements come in it becomes very very hard to remove them, no matter how compelling the case. So... I'm afraid I don't think we can help you, Horatio".
We shall battle on.
Anyone want to run for the Senate on an Aviation reform package?