Airservices’ Western Australian ADS-B Mandate
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CASA rules, change the rules Dick. Surely a self-made man with your influence as a former Australian of Year could achieve this. I'd reckon you'd have more success in lobbying your current member than with Pprune. Oh, that's right your local member is B.Bishop, lots of luck...
We could have had class E at Ballina at a lower cost than 17 fireman and a $12 m fire station.
One day fate will allow a Minister that actually shows leadership.
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Dick,
I've just watched your submission to the Senate committee on youtube. I didn't think I'd ever say it, but "well done mate"
As I said in a previous post, you'll never get reform from the bottom up, so leave the people at the console out of it. Going at them from the top down is the only way to get things done. Good on you!
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I've just watched your submission to the Senate committee on youtube. I didn't think I'd ever say it, but "well done mate"
As I said in a previous post, you'll never get reform from the bottom up, so leave the people at the console out of it. Going at them from the top down is the only way to get things done. Good on you!
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OZBUSDRIVER, normally I'd call you cynical. But, as I've learned, cynicism is simply experience mixed with reality..
Having said that, at least Dick is finally confronting things from the appropriate direction.
Having said that, at least Dick is finally confronting things from the appropriate direction.
I do not want to bash him on this but this is cart before the horse stuff. He finally is getting a means of having the equivalent of radar coverage to the ground at whichever site he wants to try. Yet, he wants exactly the wrong console to change resolution to provide a positive control vectoring service right to the ground...complete with tower facilities for a ground control. This only works if everything is squiting ADS-B yet he wants exemptions to be made. He doesn't want one in one out procedural ala Coffs tower in bad wx yet that is exactly what he will end up with if not every aircraft can be identified.
I will say that there is nothing wrong with a class E to the ground for Ballina...in fact, this is already in the pipeline. Comms have been improved in the area already. However, do not use enroute! Remote TWR/APP hybrid with responsibility out to 30nm or where it overlaps with CG...if he asks for that?
I will say that there is nothing wrong with a class E to the ground for Ballina...in fact, this is already in the pipeline. Comms have been improved in the area already. However, do not use enroute! Remote TWR/APP hybrid with responsibility out to 30nm or where it overlaps with CG...if he asks for that?
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Dick is wrong in relation to OneSky.
OneSky provides a single flight information region which means that any controller will be able to access the same flight information at any time, removing the potential for sharing incorrect information.
OneSky allows greater use of flexible airspace and user preferred routes.
OneSky is just an air traffic control system and as such the technology doesn't care what sort of services are provided, it is the designation of the airspace and the applicable procedures that determine the services provided.
But, from my experience, Dick doesn't listen. After all, did the Senators get a word in? No, and none of the Senators have any experience to challenge Dick. And if they did then Dick would just talk over them.
OneSky provides a single flight information region which means that any controller will be able to access the same flight information at any time, removing the potential for sharing incorrect information.
OneSky allows greater use of flexible airspace and user preferred routes.
OneSky is just an air traffic control system and as such the technology doesn't care what sort of services are provided, it is the designation of the airspace and the applicable procedures that determine the services provided.
But, from my experience, Dick doesn't listen. After all, did the Senators get a word in? No, and none of the Senators have any experience to challenge Dick. And if they did then Dick would just talk over them.
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WA notwithstanding, however I understand that the implementation of ADSB is a Ministerial Directive or similar, so ASA don't have much say to change that in terms of dates etc. I wonder who provides such advice to the minister who does not seem to be aviation savvy or perhaps care? 
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Class E procedural is no more one in one out than class G in IMC if modern separation standards are allowed.
One FIR is very cunning because it will prevent two en route centers competing with each other as was planned in the Baldwin days
Class E terminal airspace does not require survailance to work efficiently. Just modern standards.
One FIR is very cunning because it will prevent two en route centers competing with each other as was planned in the Baldwin days
Class E terminal airspace does not require survailance to work efficiently. Just modern standards.
I wonder who provides such advice to the minister who does not seem to be aviation savvy or perhaps care?
Face to face, Truss very clearly demonstrates his quite in-depth knowledge of aviation's problems, across the board. This comes as a complete surprise to many people.
In my opinion, this makes his complete inaction, across the (aviation) board, even more reprehensible.
From Truss's complete inaction, you would never know how important light aviation is, to regional, rural and remote Australia, and as an export jobs generator.
Tootle pip!!
As a person who currently controls non surveilled Class E airspace what are these modern standards we need? I have tried having a look on the FAA website and only found some mention of the radar standards that they use.
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I will get them for you. May take a while!
I am amazed that Aussie ATCs don't know the U.S. standards.
Always copy the best in the world is my policy. To do that you need to know how other countries operate!
I am amazed that Aussie ATCs don't know the U.S. standards.
Always copy the best in the world is my policy. To do that you need to know how other countries operate!
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AsA spin doctoring
Sunny SA,
Do you really believe what you said about OneSKY or have you just become another employee of Marie's.
A billon dollars and no real controller can tell me a business benefit (I think that is what Airservices call it).
The airlines have been waiting for (and promised) years for UPRs or Free Routing as it is called in Europe....what in OneSKY will be different to TAAATS eurocat?
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Do you really believe what you said about OneSKY or have you just become another employee of Marie's.
A billon dollars and no real controller can tell me a business benefit (I think that is what Airservices call it).
The airlines have been waiting for (and promised) years for UPRs or Free Routing as it is called in Europe....what in OneSKY will be different to TAAATS eurocat?
The Irish