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Old 18th Jun 2015, 22:27
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Originally Posted by Blowie
Not every VH- aircraft. For example, experimental amateur-built aircraft (CASR 21.191(g)) are covered by CAR42CB, which says that the registered operator must follow the maintenance instructions attached to the experimental certificate.

Confusing? Oh well, there's only about 1500 or so on the register, so maybe they don't count...
Are you saying now that part 1 of your lbs statement is empty or is it say that maintence is done IAW the above Car which forms the som which the aircraft is maintained to ?
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Ac43 has always been an approved document. It has not always been an open document.
Which means if it was approved by the manufacturer for use or in an EO for use etc it could be used.
If it wasn't listed then it couldn't be used.
It can be use now how ever it is secondary to the manufacturer unless it's not in the manufacturers repairs or inspection program
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Logbook statement

Sunfish,

you want this for instructions:
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset...orth/41_02.pdf

and this for the form itself:
CAS925 - Log book statement part 1 ? Civil Aviation Safety Authority Australia
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
What should a log book statement look like? Can anyone give me examples?

My own intention is Schd 5 plus the propeller and engine manufacturers ( and other component suppliers) maintenance manuals….and of course the AC's.

What scares me is getting into a "lock in" situation where I cannot maintain things myself (within reason), or a situation where what was legal yesterday is not legal today,.
Unless your aircraft is built by yourself or you will be limited to what you can do under casa sched 8
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Sunfish,

As I understand it, you are building an amateur built?

If this is so, it is a Blowie says, the maintenance details will be in an annex to the Experimental Certificate and is set by the person who issues the certificate.

You do have to do a CASA approved course to maintain the aircraft (having built it, you can't "maintain it ???) and the only course is "a nice little earner" for the CASA granted SAAA monopoly.

When you get to do the course, you will find out it is almost nothing to do with practical maintenance, but all about paperwork and the last time I looked at the syllabus, some of the required knowledge had absolutely incontrovertibly nothing to do with Experimental Amateur Built aircraft.

As one example, ICAO Annex VIII ?????

Believe me, Blowie knows more about it (and maintenance in general) than anybody on this thread, and that includes me.

AC 43 ----Which means if it was approved by the manufacturer
yr-rrrr-wrong,

Wrong again, if it is an aircraft where the Type Certificate is issued in US or Canada. All your above statement proves is that you do not understand the type certification of most aircraft on the Australian register, and hence the validity of the Australian type acceptance certificate, and therefore, the validity ( or not) of the Australian C.of A.

Now try and work within these rules. Like I've said you can be brave when you don't have to sign for.
Particularly given some of your posts, why do you think you are working within the rules, as opposed to hoping you are within the rules ??

On so many occasions I have seen, close up, the professional and financial carnage caused when an AWI retires or is moved, and a long and cosy (and quite proper) relationship between said AWI and a LAME ends, and some crusading newbie arrives on the scene.

Remember one of the more memorable statements of a former head of CASA (then) Office of Legal Counsel: "Pilots and Engineers are just criminals who haven't been caught yet".

Tootle pip!!
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yr-rrrr-wrong,

Wrong again, if it is an aircraft where the Type Certificate is issued in US or Canada. All your above statement proves is that you do not understand the type certification of most aircraft on the Australian register, and hence the validity of the Australian type acceptance certificate, and therefore, the validity ( or not) of the Australian C.of A.

Omg are you saying we all been doing wrong well myself over 35 years. Does it not happen when an aircraft has its type cert it must be shown its approved data and its maintenance program.
Are you now saying that this data is now not approved. So when the manufacturer tells you to do an inspection iaw approved data it's not allowed. What about the bolt torque listing is that not approved either. If the manufacturer has approved a document and unless their is an AD, or over instruments in law that dose not approve that document it is approved. This means if the manufacturer approves AC 43 it was approved for use. That is fact and what we have been doing until it was approved by casa as an approved document.


Particularly given some of your posts, why do you think you are working within the rules, as opposed to hoping you are within the rules ??


Oh well I must be extremely lucky then. I have no idea how many times I have had to place my signature on a document of law on a daily bases let alone over my career. Yet I've never been hauled before a casa awi.

On so many occasions I have seen, close up, the professional and financial carnage caused when an AWI retires or is moved, and a long and cosy (and quite proper) relationship between said AWI and a LAME ends, and some crusading newbie arrives on the scene.


Well really shows how out of touch you are. For many years now awi are moved from maintenance orgs so they do not become complacent with that org.

Remember one of the more memorable statements of a former head of CASA (then) Office of Legal Counsel: "Pilots and Engineers are just criminals who haven't been caught yet".

That I will agree with.

Tootle pip!![/QUOTE]
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3. A separate section devoted to a special subject inserted into a periodical, such as a newspaper.
4. See supplementary angle.

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Old 19th Jun 2015, 23:16
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Please see above post for definition.




Casa AWB 02-048 issue 2
Date 10 April 2015


Effective
All Cessna 100,200,300,and 400 ( last bit means all VH aircraft)




Attachment A Aviation Ruling 01/2014


page 9 of 13 parra 4
Quote


if the registered operator has elected to use the Car 42B Casa maintenance schedule, blah blah blah.


page 10 of 13 para 4 cont


However maintenance actions must always be carried out IAW approved maintenance data IAW CAR 42V and therefore compliance with SIDS and other SUPPLEMENTAL or Structural inspection documents is MANDATORY


What makes up the maintenance of an aircraft Data


Maintenance Manual
IPC
Wiring Diagram manual
SRM
SBs ,MSB, SI
EOs if applicable
Aircrafts LBS
And if applicable CASA Shed 5.
Plus any other Document that the manufacture approves for use

And IAW ICAO the state has the right if im not wrong to set it own rules in regards to Flying ops and Maintenance.
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