Adelaide air traffic control may shift to Melbourne
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Why is this a big deal? Seems like a good way to reduce costs, what difference does it make if controllers are based at adelaide or melbourne, will still be looking at the same screens covering the same area.
Yep a beat up.
Take USA for example, LA Centre is miles away in Palmdale and covers a big part of, or indeed all of California. SOCAL approach for LAX is done in San Diego ( think it's down there but it ain't at LAX. )
It doesn't matter where the radar controller sits...
Tower controllers on the other hand.......even then it's possible to do that remotely and will be soon for ASP..
Take USA for example, LA Centre is miles away in Palmdale and covers a big part of, or indeed all of California. SOCAL approach for LAX is done in San Diego ( think it's down there but it ain't at LAX. )
It doesn't matter where the radar controller sits...
Tower controllers on the other hand.......even then it's possible to do that remotely and will be soon for ASP..
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Canberra Approach is done from Melbourne. Remember a C210 with engine failure in IMC vectored into hill because controller lacked local knowledge. I am not denigrating the Controller - local knowledge issue caused due no local (Canberra) familiarity provided to this controller.
They are going to move Cairns App to Brisbane. Not many hills around Cairns are there?
They are going to move Cairns App to Brisbane. Not many hills around Cairns are there?
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Top drop:---- rubbish, so it matters if the controller ain't in the location he's controlling? Crap, he has a vectoring chart and terrain information in front of his nose and after a famil by a training controller will know everything he needs to know about the airspace he controls. If he doesn't then he shouldn't be there.
Are you telling me that all controllers should work where they are born and raised?
Are you telling me that all controllers should work where they are born and raised?
TBH, I'm more of a fan of having the approach unit co-located at the aerodrome/s it services, but for other reasons. (Eggs/baskets etc.)
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Night Bandit, have you ever worked auto release? Melbourne with a much higher movement rate than Adelaide is able to process navaid calibration aircraft along with auto release and these can be more awkward than circuits. Get a cct release and a "paper stop" level for departures and give the tower some flexibility.
This is just a continuation of the origional TAAATS plan.
Great to see leadership at AsA.
The TV and the Print media have attempted to get me to be critical. No way!
If local knowledge is a problem why not give the non-informed controllers a free ticket and a couple of days accommodation in Adelaide. Probably note some hills to the east.
Somehow the approach I do into YGDO in the CJ3 is controlled from Melbourne. I have always had a safe and competent service. How do they do it? I think they must have radar or something like that.
Great to see leadership at AsA.
The TV and the Print media have attempted to get me to be critical. No way!
If local knowledge is a problem why not give the non-informed controllers a free ticket and a couple of days accommodation in Adelaide. Probably note some hills to the east.
Somehow the approach I do into YGDO in the CJ3 is controlled from Melbourne. I have always had a safe and competent service. How do they do it? I think they must have radar or something like that.
ACMS - you may think my post is rubbish, but if you believe this
I've got a bridge in Sydney for sale
after a famil by a training controller will know everything he needs to know about the airspace he controls
I remember this issue being raised about eight years ago. I was wondering whether anyone from ATC could comment on the veracity of a compliant I heard against the arrangement at the time, which was essentially as follows:
If approach control was moved to a central location (no longer local), a delay in the radar information reaching the controller's screen would lead to increased separation requirements. A corollary of this was said to be a drop in the overall movement rate.
True or false?
I do also think the 'eggs in baskets' argument has merit too.
If approach control was moved to a central location (no longer local), a delay in the radar information reaching the controller's screen would lead to increased separation requirements. A corollary of this was said to be a drop in the overall movement rate.
True or false?
I do also think the 'eggs in baskets' argument has merit too.
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I remember this issue being raised about eight years ago. I was wondering whether anyone from ATC could comment on the voracity of a compliant I heard against the arrangement at the time, which was essentially as follows:
If approach control was moved to a central location (no longer local), a delay in the radar information reaching the controller's screen would lead to increased separation requirements. A corollary of this was said to be a drop in the overall movement rate.
True or false?
I do also think the 'eggs in baskets' argument has merit too.
If approach control was moved to a central location (no longer local), a delay in the radar information reaching the controller's screen would lead to increased separation requirements. A corollary of this was said to be a drop in the overall movement rate.
True or false?
I do also think the 'eggs in baskets' argument has merit too.
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Remember a C210 with engine failure in IMC vectored into hill because controller had no local knowledge.
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All radar information is 'historical' anyway (i.e it's already happened). I wouldn't worry about the distance of transmission having an effect though, the total delay is all in milliseconds.
That implies a failure in the training or validation process, rather than a failure in the principle under discussion.
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One has to accept that data-comms is improving every year and that the location of a controller site becomes less of a consideration.
Now if the bean counters continue to have their way the service may even be outsourced to a call centre in India - just joking.
Technology is the enabler here and systems can now be devised that are much more efficient and safer, in fact the difficulty is in the picking of a suitable technology to invest in.
Now if the bean counters continue to have their way the service may even be outsourced to a call centre in India - just joking.
Technology is the enabler here and systems can now be devised that are much more efficient and safer, in fact the difficulty is in the picking of a suitable technology to invest in.
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Investigation Report Investigation: 199502193 - Forced/precautionary landing involving a Cessna Aircraft Company P210N, VH-SMA, 38.8km NE Canberra, Aerodrome, NSW on 13 July 1995
Court case settled out of court Injured pilots settle case | Goulburn Post
Investigation Report Investigation: 199502193 - Forced/precautionary landing involving a Cessna Aircraft Company P210N, VH-SMA, 38.8km NE Canberra, Aerodrome, NSW on 13 July 1995
Court case settled out of court Injured pilots settle case | Goulburn Post