Dogs as freight
putting a dog in a light aircraft is an inhumanly bad thing to do.
Dr
PS: ....and yes, for the record, I am well qualified to respond!
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My Kelpie travelled all over the eastern half of Australia in the Auster with me.
It cost me $160 for the permit and she had her own set of mutt muffs to protect her hearing.
Kaz
It cost me $160 for the permit and she had her own set of mutt muffs to protect her hearing.
Kaz
A VERY well known aviator personality and grazier would ALWAYS taxy at YPKG, and all of the other places, with the advice,
"2 On Board - Me and Me Dog"
He did it for many years.....
The dog didn't seem to mind.
ONYA Mr Mac
Cheers
"2 On Board - Me and Me Dog"
He did it for many years.....
The dog didn't seem to mind.
ONYA Mr Mac
Cheers
Last time we took our Dog it was included in the baggage allow for the 3 of us. We had a total of 60 kg's allowance and the bags and Dog didn't exceed that.
That was with QF, all we had to do was provide the approved Dog container and drop him off at the Cargo shed pre flight.
Simples.
That was with QF, all we had to do was provide the approved Dog container and drop him off at the Cargo shed pre flight.
Simples.
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A VERY well known aviator personality and grazier would ALWAYS taxy at YPKG, and all of the other places, with the advice,
"2 On Board - Me and Me Dog"
"2 On Board - Me and Me Dog"
and sounded like a plug but I couldn't clear it. And it got progressively worse.
I was tracking parallel with the big long bitumen watching the road trains mixing it with the tourists' caravans and panicking about what the headlines (and the Regulator) might say if I plonked down there.
I called Melb Centre and announced
"Auster BYM on climb to 7500 engine problems"
Long pause then a lovely lady from Centre responded
"Auster BYM. How many pob?"
BYM: One person, one dog
Centre: is that two POB?
BYM: Negative. One person, one dog.
Centre (note of concern) Is the dog alright?
BYM: she said I got her up here so I have to get her down!
I got all the way to Alice where a cracked insulator on a top plug was found to be the problem.
I should have tried left and right mag but I was so convinced it was a plug and a tad stressed I didn't give it a go.
Mandy was a working dog and my regular companion in the air for years. She also came to flyins with me and then, as she got older, more often waited behind for my return. She would lie outside the club house for hours without moving but as soon as I joined the circuit she would get up and wait near the hangar for me. The best flying mate I've ever had.
I bought her Mutt Muffs from the USA on the Internet and they were great. Dogs do have extremely sensitive ears and that protection is nearly essential especially for breeds like Kelpies.
Kaz
ACMS, out of interest, how long ago was it you could check the dog in as part of the baggage allowance. Last week I had to call Qantas freight to book the dog in and take her to the local freight agent who pinged me the $80.
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Reading CASA's advisory circular 91-045(0), it looks like a domestic pet can be carried in the passenger cabin as long as it's restrained or contained (so not to endanger people or disturb W+B), it doesn't impede emergency exit and it's number 1s and 2s are contained.
The circular quotes CASR 91.045 as the relevant regulation. I can't find 91.045 in the new CASR on the comlaw site. Could anyone direct me to it?
From how I read it, the 1988 CAR 256A states that an animal can't be in a passenger cabin unless it is an assistance animal for an impaired person. The 2001 advisory circular broadens the instances in which an animal can be in a passenger cabin to pretty much whenever there's no cargo compartment or it's not possible to put the animal in an available cargo compartment or "where the operator considers it appropriate".
I'm happy to take my mate's dog in a container in the back of a C200 series if I can see the CASR 91.045 in writing first (so I know that it exists!) because I'd really prefer not to be pulled up for a ramp check only to be quoted CAR 256A which doesn't seem to allow it.
In my naive PPL eyes, I see no operational or safety issue in having an animal suitably contained (so not to disturb W+B or people) in the back of a C200 series. However, I worry that the interpretation of "passenger compartment" could be bent by someone wanting to enforce CAR 256A if the situation is in a single compartment Cessna. So, is CAR 256A superseded by CASR 91.045 that this advisory is referencing? I'm sure it is... I just can't find damn CASR 91.045!!
The circular quotes CASR 91.045 as the relevant regulation. I can't find 91.045 in the new CASR on the comlaw site. Could anyone direct me to it?
From how I read it, the 1988 CAR 256A states that an animal can't be in a passenger cabin unless it is an assistance animal for an impaired person. The 2001 advisory circular broadens the instances in which an animal can be in a passenger cabin to pretty much whenever there's no cargo compartment or it's not possible to put the animal in an available cargo compartment or "where the operator considers it appropriate".
I'm happy to take my mate's dog in a container in the back of a C200 series if I can see the CASR 91.045 in writing first (so I know that it exists!) because I'd really prefer not to be pulled up for a ramp check only to be quoted CAR 256A which doesn't seem to allow it.
In my naive PPL eyes, I see no operational or safety issue in having an animal suitably contained (so not to disturb W+B or people) in the back of a C200 series. However, I worry that the interpretation of "passenger compartment" could be bent by someone wanting to enforce CAR 256A if the situation is in a single compartment Cessna. So, is CAR 256A superseded by CASR 91.045 that this advisory is referencing? I'm sure it is... I just can't find damn CASR 91.045!!
I am reminded of the story of when I was flying in Alaska of a pilot who landed his floatplane (beaver or 185 etc) on a river and hit a sandbar hard. He would have likely survived the impact, except for the dog that came flying forward further pushing the pilot's head into the glare shield.
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It's been a long time since I've chased up animal regs, but a quick look at AC 91.045 shows draft September 2001, and not listed in the AC list. Only a few Part 91 rules have appeared thus far. The draftees in 2001 were probably - foolishly - expecting the regs to be finished by about then...
Is the POH-designated cargo place in a light aircraft considered part of the passenger compartment if there's no bulkhead between them...? E.g. C206
Picking apart these sorts of regulation interpretations is a nightmare
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Cheers for explaining that. So CAR 256A must still stand then and we're technically not allowed to carry an animal, even if suitably contained and restrained, in a single compartment light aircraft in Australia? That's how I interpret it but I would be very pleased to be informed otherwise.
Is the POH-designated cargo place in a light aircraft considered part of the passenger compartment if there's no bulkhead between them...? E.g. C206
Picking apart these sorts of regulation interpretations is a nightmare
Is the POH-designated cargo place in a light aircraft considered part of the passenger compartment if there's no bulkhead between them...? E.g. C206
Picking apart these sorts of regulation interpretations is a nightmare
Makes sense not to have her become a projectile in the event of a sudden stop but she found the incontinence pad a bit embarrassing.
She was never air sick and she never soiled her pad even when I left her in the aircraft overnight at Cobar.
Kaz
"She was never air sick and she never soiled her pad even when I left her in the aircraft overnight at Cobar."
Kaz, If you ever write a book about your Auster adventures (particularly with Mandy) I'll buy the first copy!
Kaz, If you ever write a book about your Auster adventures (particularly with Mandy) I'll buy the first copy!