500 multi??

[Global Aviator]

Multi

In today's aviation get used to it cadets are here to stay in Oz, like the rest of the world.

It works and has so for years. Like any breed and background some will be great others average and some plain ****e.

Yeah in Oz it's a tough GA road, given the chance eons ago
Would you have jumped in to the right hand seat of a shimmy jet? Don't lie, of course you would.

We are just lucky we couldn't. The GA flying years were the best flying years of my life. Love shinny jets and to be honest I actually feel sort for cadets and mpl who have not and will never have a chance to do the stupid **** and got away with us. Many of our mates didn't rip, does it make us better pilots? Yeah probably.

But cadets straight into the seat, from my experience all pretty darn good! Indo enjoy showing photos of Barons in the bush, strips that look
Like goat tracks, yeah ya do see envy in the eyes.

We were the lucky ones, yeah was tough by a truck load if fun. Don't nag these guys wish them well.

[Checkboard]

Just wondering, Iv'e heard the term 500 floating around and it seems to be a magical number you should aim form when getting into twins.

Can anyone tell me the origins of this please?

The (now superseded) CAO 82.3 - Conditions on air operators' certificates authorising regular public transport operations in other than high capacity aircraft (12/12/2004) :

Appendix 4


1 Qualifications of pilots in command


Aeroplanes exceeding 5 700 kg MTOW
Air transport pilot (aeroplane) licence
2 000 hours total experience as a pilot, that includes:

Command (multi-engine aeroplane) instrument rating
500 hours as pilot in command (or acting as pilot in command under supervision) on multi-engine aeroplanes under the I.F.R.; and
50 hours as pilot in command (or acting as pilot in command under supervision) on the aeroplane type; and
100 hours experience as a pilot on night operations.

[Checkboard]

Re: 200 hour Cadet, straight to RHS jet transport...

In the 50s, there were 5 people in the cockpit:

1. An experienced Captain
2. A skilled Co-pilot
3. Flight Engineer
4. Navigator
5. Radio Officer

Then voice communication did away with Morse, and digital tuning did away with the technical difficulty in operating the radio - exit the radio man.


So, in the 60's, there were 4 people in the cockpit:

1. An experienced Captain
2. A skilled Co-pilot
3. Flight Engineer
4. Navigator

Then IRS navigation (and other systems) did away with the technical knowledge and difficulty in performing Astro-Navigation, and the proliferation of beacons meant pre-printed routes on charts - exit the Navigator.

So, in the 70's, there were 3 people in the cockpit:

1. An experienced Captain
2. A skilled Co-pilot
3. Flight Engineer

Then Flight Management Computers provided instant technical data for various operations and fuel loading, Auto-throttle handled the engines, trimming them for take-off etc, checklists became better (Quick Reference Handbooks), ECAM systems developed and systems in general became more reliable in later generations - exit the Flight Engineer.

So, in the 80's, there were 2 people in the cockpit:

1. An experienced Captain
2. A skilled Co-pilot

Then, certainly in Europe, full radar coverage, auto-land capable autopilots, ILS's on every runway and strict SOPs with stabilised approach backed up by Flight Data Monitoring became standard - exit the need for a skilled Co-pilot (not saying that there are no skilled co-pilots - just that you don't NEED one now, so pilots can gain skills & experience in the RHS rather than needing them to get there.)


So, in the 90's, there were 2 people in the cockpit:

1. An experienced Captain
2. Co-pilot

Technology has made many jobs so simple that the pilots now cover them, and drone technology has been pushed along by the Middle East conflicts to the point were it is a pretty mature technology. I can see no-pilot freight and single-pilot passenger operations in the future (not in the 15 years I have left - but not long after.)

You certainly see the pressure on wages - there simply isn't the need to pay 1960s wages to get people into a jet cockpit and perform a safe operation any more.