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Old 23rd Sep 2014, 06:20
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Gear up landing YARM

UPDATE: Plane down at Armidale Airport | The Armidale Express

Looks expensive...... Wonder if it was mechanical failure or pilot error
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Old 23rd Sep 2014, 07:09
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Bravo Armidale Express

Admirable restraint shown there - not one use of the 'C' word...
(Cessna, that is.)
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Old 23rd Sep 2014, 07:29
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Forgot to select the gear into the D.O.W.N position. A week out of a new paint job to I was told. Mmm
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Forgot to select the gear into the D.O.W.N position
Please tell me the pilot involved in this incident has freely admitted this!
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Was that prop rotating when the aircraft landed?
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Old 23rd Sep 2014, 12:54
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Not for long.
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Yes creamy the prop had little or no rotation.
This stop the rotation of the D.O.W.N switch locking device which lock the wheels in the U.P position. As the wheels where locked in this position it's unable to unlock the D.O.W.N activation of the switch.
Hence the wheels stayed in the U.P POSITION. How ever to remove the aircraft a slight rotation of the prop allowed the switch to unlock and the wheels came into the D. O. W. N. Position.
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I anticipate that I may regret this…

Are you saying that the propeller wasn’t rotating at all or sufficiently before the landing, and that it’s necessary for the propeller to be rotating in order to allow the undercarriage to be extended?

When I see an aircraft ‘wheels up’ with little-to-no damage to the propeller, I wonder whether it’s had an engine failure and the pilot’s landed as quickly as possible while concentrating on things more important than the wheels. Are you saying that absent propellor rotation, the wheels can't be extended on this kind of aicraft? If that's correct, I'd suggest the pilot didn't 'forget' to extend the wheels.
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No creamy all that happened was he forgot to put wheels down. As for admitting it unsure but I'll make a call and try and find out. And as for any pilot admitting they forgot. That's the 8 the wonder of the world if anyone dose
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I knew I'd regret it...

Are you saying that the undercarriage cannot be unlocked for extension unless the propeller is rotating? It’s a yes or no answer that doesn’t need embellishment with your dyslexia shtick.
[T]he prop had little or no rotation.

This stop[ed] the rotation of the D.O.W.N switch locking device which lock[s] the wheels in the U.P position. …

Hence the wheels stayed in the U.P POSITION. However, to remove the aircraft a slight rotation of the prop allowed the switch to unlock and the wheels came into the D. O. W. N. Position.
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Best exchange I've read on the prunes for a while.
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It’s a yes or no answer that doesn’t need embellishment with your dyslexia shtick.
No creamy all that happened was he forgot to put wheels down.
Creamy, what don't you understand about "no"?
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Capn, I think you should reread yr right's post #7 again.
I am still trying to understand it and would like to know if there really is an undercarriage system that will not allow extension if the engine is stopped. ie. not rotating.
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I think the Cap'n had his tongue planted firmly in his cheek, but there's not an emoticon for that.
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Old 24th Sep 2014, 06:12
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And as for any pilot admitting they forgot. That's the 8 the wonder of the world if anyone dose
I had the nosewheel fold up on a Chieftain once. The aircraft was sitting there on the runway on its mains and its nose, and the LAME accused me of forgeting to extend the wheels
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Horatio, I heard the LAME observed you pumping away on the manual extension handle, thus extending the mains before the LAME got to the aircraft.
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Old 24th Sep 2014, 09:19
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I had a dual engine change in a chieftain cause pilot place the handle to the up position before start up. Second engine came on line and as Hyd px came up so did the nose wheel. Not sure how many removals I've done on runways when jack and gear selected down whoop whoop gear comes down. With exception to too strikes.
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Hey creamie why don't you tells us how you forgot to select DOWN in Canberra.
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Old 24th Sep 2014, 10:27
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Does anyone have the deciphering machine necessary to make sense of Yr Right's posts? I think he was trying to be sarcastic but doesn't have the English skills to do so and ended up writing unintelligible nonsense.

Of course, the incoherence could be the result of several beers, in which case well done.
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Old 24th Sep 2014, 10:37
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There is no relatiship between engine and the u/c. None nothing nil. Whith expection to Hyd system pumps. In which case there is by regulation a secondary system to place the gear down in the case of pump or engine failure.
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