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Old 8th Sep 2014, 20:57
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Wind farms 2

This is what happen last Friday.

Gullen Range modification bid ?a hopeless mess? resident tells Commission | Crookwell Gazette

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On another note it was said that should not worry you if you don't fly below 500 feet. When you consider that these a replaces on top of ridge lines and at crookwell for example you will be a circuit hight and level with them.

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Old 8th Sep 2014, 21:17
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Via the yr right link...

"...In Mr Jim Hudson's submission he writes that the Crookwell Aerodrome will no longer be considered for use for aerial firefighting by the NSW Rural Fire Service. The aircraft used in this role is an 802 Fire Bomber.

There is also a twin engine support aircraft in addition to the 802 and they are four Category B aircraft.

He added, the Crookwell aerodrome is therefore exclude from consideration and any necessary fire fighting efforts must be originated from Bathurst, Cowra or Goulburn.

The Crookwell Aerodromes importance and significance was such that at the time the then Mayor, Brian McGuiness and Deputy Mayor James Carr, when determining the legally authorised purchase and establishment of the facility enacted the condition that it be held in perpetuity for the residents and landowners of the Crookwell district.

The aerodrome cannot be sold or therefore closed. This decision precedes the development of the wind farm and such decision cannot be altered.” Mr Hudson contended..."










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Old 8th Sep 2014, 21:20
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It sounds like the planning & development process has been a real mess. This being NSW (finest politicians that money can buy), it's not entirely surprising.

But it's not entirely clear to me why the wind farm is a problem to aviation. I get that it is only a couple of miles from Crookwell airfield (hard to tell exactly from my WAC), but why can aircraft not join & depart the circuit safely? Do the turbines extend more than 500' above the ridge lines?
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A few points to consider.

If you build a shed in your back yard and place it 1/2 meter to close to the fence line you will have to pull it down and replace it in the right position.

Next if the court says your can't do something we'll your not alowed to do that.

Next if your a wind farm we'll the above two don't matter. You can do what you won't too.

So now if they win and don't have to pull these things down a pressidence has been set for all of us. This is now bigger than just wind frams.

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but why can aircraft not join & depart the circuit safely? Do the turbines extend more than 500' above the ridge lines?
I am sure you can still use the circuit at Crookwell safely however the combined height of the turbines and the ridge they sit on can place them well above VFR height in the adjacent valleys. Although I don't know if this is the case at Crookwell, it certainly is with the wind farms east of Adelaide.

Given the photographs on the previous thread showing turbulence extending several kilometers from the wind turbines I would suggest that if you fly into the lee of these things on a windy day you could be in for a very interesting ride indeed.

Below, east of Adelaide




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Angry

I've seen f 1-11 and c130 fly blow the ridge line at crookwell in shit weather Ifr bet they won't now
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Now this is were it also gets interesting. The turbines are located in direct contravention of the casa reqs. Section 9 and 9A. The implications if you read between the lines. For get what's happening in NSW with ICAC this is going to be bigger.
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For get what's happening in NSW with ICAC this is going to be bigger
I won't hold my breath waiting ...
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The implications of what's happened in crookwell with what's been done is shocking. We will see what happens
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It's no big deal really. I saw Mission Impossible III a few nights ago where Tom Cruise was in the back and they flew a Huey through the spinning blades succesfully. An F1-11 goes much faster so they would be ok.
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With Crookwell being around 1000m unless there was a pretty good headwind you wouldn't be working an 802 from there unless it was 2/3 of a load.
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Or had a 67F engine, Super Cecil.
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We'll 802 been used out of crookwell for years.
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yr right wrote:


"I've seen f 1-11 and c130 fly blow the ridge line at crookwell in shit weather Ifr bet they won't now" (sic.)


No risk of an F-111 flying into anything, these days.

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On another note it was said that should not worry you if you don't fly below 500 feet. When you consider that these a replaces on top of ridge lines and at crookwell for example you will be a circuit hight and level with them.
Probably my comment, for the benefit of Yr Right the 500 ft refers to AGL, ie the aircraft will not fly lower then 500 ft above ground level, hence if the terrain is 3000 ft then it stands to reason said aircraft shall not descend below 3,500 ft MSL lest the pilot shall smite his aircraft into the planet be it either in a ridge or a valley ....
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For your benefit Avgas the airfield At crookwell is at the bottom of the ridge. There fore as you enter the circuit you will be in the turbines slip stream with the airfield below you and the tops of the turbines above you. Not all of Australia is flat !!!!!
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Anyone here currently flying out of Crookwell who would like to comment? Looks like they are about 3 kilometers away on Google Earth.
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Yr right, did you see this?

"...In Mr Jim Hudson's submission he writes that the Crookwell Aerodrome will no longer be considered for use for aerial firefighting by the NSW Rural Fire Service. The aircraft used in this role is an 802 Fire Bomber.
So have you phoned this guy up and offered your professional support as a concerned pilot?

Seems like a cause worth fighting if you are well enough versed in the subject matter. I am not, but it seems you are somewhat well informed, so do not let this poor bloke battle it himself. Stick it to them
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For your benefit yr I flew out of Cowra for over 10 years, and I am quite familiar with the terrain between Cowra and Moruya. You would then be aware that the direct route would take you close enough to Crookwell, however I am interested in your theory of wind speed driving the turbines, such that the speed and turbulence behind would be any greater than the rotor turbulence created by the Wind and ridge alone without the interference of the turbines .... Do tell!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_wave

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Old 9th Sep 2014, 11:27
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=019Ro3E_mhA&app=desktop
All the other rubbish written about the danger of windfarms in the proximity of airfields, have a look at that lot.
Henry got that many to contend with?
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