Crash incident at Northam YNTM

[27/09]

If the runway is too short, then of course a T&G is not advisable.

If the runway is too short for a T & G then it's probably too short for a full stop landing.

[Blueskymine]

You forgot Kharon the magic words at the end.

Failure to comply is an act of strict liability

[Squawk7700]

I know my instructors didn't allow touch and go's during very early solo time, favouring a full-stop and back-track. That was in the first few hours, not forever. I've not heard of any suggestions from anyone ever that touch and go's are not a great idea.

[gerry111]

Squawk7700 wrote:


"I know my instructors didn't allow touch and go's during very early solo time, favouring a full-stop and back-track."


Interesting.


On my first solo, my instructor advised me to carry out as many missed approaches as necessary for one good landing. Fortunately, he had taught me well and I only did one circuit. (in a Warrior.)


My second solo was 0.4 hr and that was all touch and go's.


Since we are both still alive 7700, I guess that both ways worked OK!

[awqward]

Sorry allythecoolnames....my post was most not definitely directed at you...I didn't even notice your join date...no I was just saying that most training techniques were developed 60 or 70 years ago...and yes airplanes still basically fly the same way, but intentional spins were dropped from PPL training eventually and perhaps it is time to review the requirement for touch and gos when there is a combination of adverse factors... BUT. In no way would I advocate any change to any regulations on the subject....instructors discretion..,

Now I remember why I rarely post here! :-)

[tecman]

Squawk, I think the first time I recall seeing the debate in the popular press in recent times was in 'Flying', probably the article:

Flight School: The Touch-and-Go | Flying Magazine

From that point there were various bastardized versions of the 'no' case in (for example) the AOPA and RAA mags and, despite the likely plagiarism as a starting point, the authors did not improve on the original.

I'm sure the question has been around much longer than that but I've been surprised at the gusto with which the case has been made - had not seen that before....and am still in favour of T&Gs.

[Homesick-Angel]

If a stall is what caused this to occur, then it's bloody lucky no one was very badly injured or worse..

[dubbleyew eight]

for someone on their way to an ATPL this has not been a good look.

[notjustanotherpilot]

If a stall is what caused this to occur, then it's bloody lucky no one was very badly injured or worse..

It was on take off and not very high, plus as mentioned earlier the design of the Mooney and the fuselage didn't take the impact - the wings and tail copped it.

[onetrack]

As I understand it, she clipped the top of the hangar with a wingtip, and somersaulted over it, and effectively belly-flopped into the position she ended up in.
It's a shame no-one took a video of her doing it - it would make for some stunning viewing, some good education for other learners - and it would have notched up 100 million hits on YooToob!

[Stanwell]

Thanks for that, onetrack.
Yes, I was looking - and looking at the pics after hearing the early reports and wondering 'how the ....'
I will buy her a lottery ticket in the morning.