C172 v King Air in Deni ?

[Toruk Macto]

Anyone know if the 172 had its nose wheel on a taxi line ? Was kingair parked in designated parking space ? Lawyers get involved and the outcome can go either way .

[rutan around]

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this story turn out to be the King Air must have been pretty close to the Avgas bowser and to block off or balk other aircraft from refueling shows at the very least a lack of consideration. Bit like the pr*#ks that power up and blow dust and rocks through hangers.

[Draggertail]

No lines for taxi way or parking visible on google earth so only common sense to go by. I'm sure some OH&S guru will come up with a way to blame the council for this. It's not that hard to avoid another aircraft when you are in a 172!

[Toruk Macto]

lawyers will want to establish what is the common taxi usage for apron , what's the normal use of fueling equipment . If King air was refuelled it may be fueling company shares some blame , council will get their turn to defend themselves I'm sure . Common sense won't play much of a role . Interesting to see who pays up in the end .

[Capt Fathom]

You lot are joking surely! Lawyers?

At country airports, you just fit in where you can! The big boys will probably stick to the Tarmac where possible.

You may have to drag your 172 by hand up to the browser, so be it.

I've never found it a problem. Sometimes you may have to wait, but that's rare!

What happened to commonsense, patience and good manners?

[Toruk Macto]

Common sense of operating at a country airport is one thing , who pays up with this is something else .

[aldee]

It's a no brainer, the talentless fool who hit a parked aircraft is at fault, end of story
No excuses for inability to maneuver a172 on the ground
Like the fool who hit the hangar 18 inches in from the wingtip in a C182, cost the owner big coin, don't recall the hangar being at fault

[JAKL]

It was a student?
Was he solo?
Where was the Pilot in Command?
I take it the Supervising Instructor would be the Pilot in Command.

Cat-pigeons

[Car RAMROD]

Lines or no lines it doesn't matter. They should give you clearance but never blindly follow/trust them. If you hit a stationary aircraft (or some other object) it's YOU who is the dumbarse at fault.

In parking areas go slow, slower at night, ALWAYS keep looking both sides and if in even the slightest bit of doubt about clearances then stop, shut down, get out and look, or get someone out there to check for you. Pretty simple stuff really.

[Toruk Macto]

If there is a line and your nose wheel is on it then your a whole lot less liable .

[holdingagain]

There was no line as far as I know involved here

But if there was and the King Air was parked dead centre over the yellow line and you smack into it what percentage do you carry, nil or 100%

[Toruk Macto]

Have you noticed aeroplanes a crashing into each other or objects regularly all over the world , this person was a student in a 172 operating at a country airport . 380 pilots have done this , just happened again last week in the states with a major airline . BA in South Africa , Heathrow a few months back with Virgin or Ryan air ? Are airports getting busier ? Initially it seemed clear who was at fault with all of them but as time passes and lawyers get involved it's never clear cut as one person is solely to blame . To answer your question I imagine the blame will be apportioned somewhere between %0-100 on the pilot . There is already a few good points brought up here , a good aviation lawyer will find more .

[Neville Nobody]

You mean Toruk Macto , a good aviation lawyer will make a lot more.
When you get Bottom feeders involved everyone pays more.

[Obidiah]

I think it was John Deakin who once wrote,....

.....in aviation there are a lot of laws and regulation, too many really, when all you really need is two.....


...Don't hit nuthin' and don't do nuthin' dumb.


Seems like at least one of these was laws was violated.

[kaz3g]

You mean Toruk Macto , a good aviation lawyer will make a lot more.
When you get Bottom feeders involved everyone pays more.

And what wonderful, philanthropic pastime are you engaged in, Nobody?

It might be clever to bag lawyers amongst the company you keep but the ones who do so bleat loudest when they need one IMHO.

Kaz

[Neville Nobody]

So Kaz, you in the bottom feeding business then? What makes you think all the litigation makes for a better world?

[kaz3g]

So Kaz, you in the bottom feeding business then? What makes you think all the litigation makes for a better world?

No Nobody; I'm a lawyer.

I'll leave bottoms and feeding them to people like you who are clearly far better qualified than I can ever hope to be.

Litigation subjects the parties to the scrutiny of the laws made by the people we as a democratic society install in our Parliaments. If you don't like it then do something useful and change the system.

I work for the poor buggers who can't afford to pay for their legal representation themselves but would still like to receive some modicum of justice.

I repeat my question: What wonderful, pure and undoubtedly philanthropic works are you involved in that you sit in righteous judgment of others?

Kaz

[Neville Nobody]

I'm currently unemployed Kaz, one lawyer whom I have a very high regard for is a yank by the name of Dan Mori, he currently works in Melbourne. "In the company of cowards" is a book he has just released.
My question still stands how does litigation make for a better world? Was Australia a better place years ago before the drive to litigate?

[thorn bird]

As my grandpappy used to say.

"The law is for everyone. Justice is for them that can afford it"

And he was a judge.

[OZBUSDRIVER]

This sounds like a budding child of the magenta in training.....
.....I was following the yellow line and I hit another Aeroplane!!!!????

Where were your eyeballs at? Blindly following the yellow line?????!!!???

How stupid does this sound? How even more stupid to claim immunity?