ADSB Transponder Installation - EO Required?
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Firstly, thank you for the improvement in literacy. That was much easier to read that every other post you have ever made.
But, to address what you have said -
How has anyone said anything about modifying the unit? I have said nothing other than having the unit installed in accordance with the STC doesn't require an EO.
Further, my advice came not from some field office, but from the particular department head in Canberra, and I have it, in writing. So that takes care of that.
So, you are now an insurance adjuster? I would suggest keeping to commenting on subjects you are qualified on, not rampant speculation about things that you don't know about. I am well familiar with every word of my policy, and there is not a single exclusionary clause of the nature of which you describe.
Your 1 and 2 are actually linked. I can afford my aircraft, and can afford to improve it and maintain it, because I don't pay for stupid things that I don't need, and I don't let other peoples ignorance of a particular subject dictate to me how I should spend my money.
But, to address what you have said -
How has anyone said anything about modifying the unit? I have said nothing other than having the unit installed in accordance with the STC doesn't require an EO.
Further, my advice came not from some field office, but from the particular department head in Canberra, and I have it, in writing. So that takes care of that.
So, you are now an insurance adjuster? I would suggest keeping to commenting on subjects you are qualified on, not rampant speculation about things that you don't know about. I am well familiar with every word of my policy, and there is not a single exclusionary clause of the nature of which you describe.
Your 1 and 2 are actually linked. I can afford my aircraft, and can afford to improve it and maintain it, because I don't pay for stupid things that I don't need, and I don't let other peoples ignorance of a particular subject dictate to me how I should spend my money.
I just want to save all that wasted time and money on rip off engineers and solder jockeys.
I just want to pull out the Garmin 327 box and slot in the 330.
Rat: Did you look at the data for the installation? Can the new box be run through the existing circuit breaker? Do I need another (extra) antenna? Put your house and the line and advise me whether I can do this legally and safely.
I just want to pull out the Garmin 327 box and slot in the 330.
Rat: Did you look at the data for the installation? Can the new box be run through the existing circuit breaker? Do I need another (extra) antenna? Put your house and the line and advise me whether I can do this legally and safely.
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We'll i do know about insurance matters as a matter of interest.
What's the model
Of your aircraft and the stc #.
Next while a ela is not a eo it makes part of it. Also every component on an aircraft has a particular requirements. This may be down to where it placed in the panel switching lighting lots of things that you would never of heard of. Like I said. Go do a lic do your own work then all is good in the free world. EOs are made for people like your self that know it all but actually know sfa to keep us all safe. How many places have said you need an EO what they all out to do you over.
What's the model
Of your aircraft and the stc #.
Next while a ela is not a eo it makes part of it. Also every component on an aircraft has a particular requirements. This may be down to where it placed in the panel switching lighting lots of things that you would never of heard of. Like I said. Go do a lic do your own work then all is good in the free world. EOs are made for people like your self that know it all but actually know sfa to keep us all safe. How many places have said you need an EO what they all out to do you over.
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Oh, I am not a qualified solder jockey, but what I can say is, just because you don't need an EO, doesn't mean you can just do what ever you want, as I suspect you are trying to get me to say.
I don't know if the 330 and the 327 share the same rack or plugs. That's why I pay a solder jockey to follow the installation instructions that came with my STC.
Not getting an EO doesn't remove your responsibility to have a qualified person install it in accordance with the STC. I was happy to pay the guy to do the install. I was far from happy to pay some guy, that would never ever see my aircraft, and would merely change the details from the last one he did, that was a cut and paste job from the manufacturer, and click print and charge me vast sums for that 4 seconds of 'work'.
I don't know if the 330 and the 327 share the same rack or plugs. That's why I pay a solder jockey to follow the installation instructions that came with my STC.
Not getting an EO doesn't remove your responsibility to have a qualified person install it in accordance with the STC. I was happy to pay the guy to do the install. I was far from happy to pay some guy, that would never ever see my aircraft, and would merely change the details from the last one he did, that was a cut and paste job from the manufacturer, and click print and charge me vast sums for that 4 seconds of 'work'.
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while a ela is not a eo it makes part of it
And at no point have I said I know everything. But I can read and comprehend things enough to come to an educated opinion.
Of the 5 places I sought out, 5 wanted to charge various amounts for EO's. But, more interestingly, 5 places out of 5 weren't even aware there was an STC available for the transponder, they were going to get an EO, because that's what they'd always done.
I am not advocating a haphazard approach to maintenance, like you want me to be tricked into saying, what I am saying is that 90% of EO's are pointless and not needed.
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Actually, it is a mere slang term, and more one of endearment. My very good mate that maintains aircraft in the RAAF refers to him self as a spanner jockey, and solder jockey is a fairly common term, and not derogatory. But that you would say something like that shows that your argument is falling flat, and you must resort to picking up things that are not connected with the discussion to claw something back.
CP, the technical questions you ask, I am the wrong person to ask, that's why I pay someone qualified to install the equipment, just so we are clear. If I were qualified to answer your questions, I would happily stake what every engineer and solder jockey stakes when they go to work.
CP, the technical questions you ask, I am the wrong person to ask, that's why I pay someone qualified to install the equipment, just so we are clear. If I were qualified to answer your questions, I would happily stake what every engineer and solder jockey stakes when they go to work.
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90% of EO not required we'll that just shows your totally non understanding and the dribble out if your mouth.
Those of us old enough to remember will know of one case that turn the industry into using EOs as a more compete tool. If you don't know of the accident i recommend you look it up. How removal of a simple instrument cost the life's of all on board.
Monarch airlines.
Those of us old enough to remember will know of one case that turn the industry into using EOs as a more compete tool. If you don't know of the accident i recommend you look it up. How removal of a simple instrument cost the life's of all on board.
Monarch airlines.
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Are you serious?!
So an EO would have prevented NDU from crashing? I was well aware of the accident of which you speak, I was flying out of Canberra at the time.
Allow me to refresh your clearly faulty memory with a snippet from the atsb -
The investigation found that the circumstances of the accident were consistent with controlled flight into terrain. Descent below the minimum circling altitude without adequate visual reference was the culminating factor in a combination of local contributing factors and organisational failures. The local contributing factors included poor weather conditions, equipment deficiencies, inadequate procedures, inaccurate visual perception, and possible skill fatigue. Organisational failures were identified relating to the management of the airline by the company, and the regulation and licensing of its operations by the Civil Aviation Authority.
The only complete tool here is you if you think that. Please enlighten me to which maintenance organisation you work for, so that I can make sure I don't ever make the (expensive) mistake of bringing my aircraft to you?
So an EO would have prevented NDU from crashing? I was well aware of the accident of which you speak, I was flying out of Canberra at the time.
Allow me to refresh your clearly faulty memory with a snippet from the atsb -
The investigation found that the circumstances of the accident were consistent with controlled flight into terrain. Descent below the minimum circling altitude without adequate visual reference was the culminating factor in a combination of local contributing factors and organisational failures. The local contributing factors included poor weather conditions, equipment deficiencies, inadequate procedures, inaccurate visual perception, and possible skill fatigue. Organisational failures were identified relating to the management of the airline by the company, and the regulation and licensing of its operations by the Civil Aviation Authority.
The only complete tool here is you if you think that. Please enlighten me to which maintenance organisation you work for, so that I can make sure I don't ever make the (expensive) mistake of bringing my aircraft to you?
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I'm fully aware of what happened my and a lot of our friend was flying it. Casa gave it a PMS. Yes an EO would have help a lot in this instance. My other friend went into the strip just before him.
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Once again you show your compete lack of knowlege. No one would have issued an EO for that aircraft for IfR flights. It's flight would have been limited to Vfr conditions.
So yes the accident would not have happened.
So yes the accident would not have happened.
CP, the technical questions you ask, I am the wrong person to ask, that's why I pay someone qualified to install the equipment, just so we are clear. If I were qualified to answer your questions, I would happily stake what every engineer and solder jockey stakes when they go to work.
Most people don't understand what work professional experts do, or the basis on which they charge.
Professionals charge for doing an invisible trick that no one else can do. They move risk from your house to their house (and onwards to their insurers' houses, as a consequence of professional indemnity and other insurances).
Doesn't take long - just a signature can do it.
Like time, risk equals money.
Whilst it may be that an engineer comes to the same conclusion as you about the safety and simplicity of incorporating an STC, one is an informed opinion backed by insurance, and the other is, at best, an educated guess backed by hot air. If the engineer gets it wrong, they pay. If the other gets it wrong they shrug and say "My bad".
(Don't let yr right's dyslexia and diversion schtick get to you. It's how he covers his CASA tracks.)
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I'm not with casa never been with casa you we'll know. I don't cover any tracks what you see is me and nothing else sorry creaming your in correct. It's called being a good lame and nowing we'll as much as you can the rules and regs
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Gosh Clinton not only did you have ago at rat then make him feel good then have ago at myself even though your ex casa and I've never had anything to do with them very clever use of your word smith skills. Funny bit is you can't admit that what I've said is correct.
Now a little research done today.
If your aircraft was equipped with a KT76a transponder and it died you can replace it with a Trig unit as a direct swap as it's a plug and play. However if you won't to use the ADSB function and your aircraft is not wired for it then you have to do an EO
Now a little research done today.
If your aircraft was equipped with a KT76a transponder and it died you can replace it with a Trig unit as a direct swap as it's a plug and play. However if you won't to use the ADSB function and your aircraft is not wired for it then you have to do an EO
I'm rarely sure I understand what yr trying to say, Tracy.
The only thing I am sure about, from your posts, is that you have no clue how to run a piston aero engine safely and efficiently. But that's nothing unusual or anything for a LAME to be ashamed about. Piano tuners v piano players and all that...
The only thing I am sure about, from your posts, is that you have no clue how to run a piston aero engine safely and efficiently. But that's nothing unusual or anything for a LAME to be ashamed about. Piano tuners v piano players and all that...
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Damn!!! some posters on this thread are rude towards Engineers. How about stopping the bickering and ask Charles Lenardic (spelling?), Head of Avionics, at CASA for an official response.
I fear you will dislike his reply.
You are mixing up power consumption used by the unit VS transmission power. Better you not start doing ELA's . Check but I'm sure your transponder doesn't have a 20 amp CB ;-)
GTX330 : 1.6 A @ 27.5 Vdc, 3.1 A @ 13.75 Vdc
Transmission Power : 125 Watts minimum, 250 Watts nominal
I fear you will dislike his reply.
RatsoreA :Further, both transponders put out 250w.
Watts are a function of voltage and amperage, so a 14 volt DC system in most aircraft, to make 250w require roughly 17.85 amps. Doesn't matter what box is doing it. Newer ones might be more efficient in other areas of current draw, but for the actual Tx, it mattes not what box is installed.
Watts are a function of voltage and amperage, so a 14 volt DC system in most aircraft, to make 250w require roughly 17.85 amps. Doesn't matter what box is doing it. Newer ones might be more efficient in other areas of current draw, but for the actual Tx, it mattes not what box is installed.
GTX330 : 1.6 A @ 27.5 Vdc, 3.1 A @ 13.75 Vdc
Transmission Power : 125 Watts minimum, 250 Watts nominal
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Cream puff aka Clinton you know exactly what I'm saying. Your an ex casa solictor that means you work for casa you try to imply that I work for casa which I do not. I forgotten more than you know about piston engines and I won't be drawn back into that subject. Offer than to say experience shows me what happens.
On this subject here it's quite simple if it's a plug and play you don't require an EO. If you have an STC and it covers everything you may use it. If it dose not cover everything then an EO is required.
End of story.
Sorry if that dose not suit Jaba or Rats suit them but that's the facts as it stands at this point of time. 🙊🙉🙈
On this subject here it's quite simple if it's a plug and play you don't require an EO. If you have an STC and it covers everything you may use it. If it dose not cover everything then an EO is required.
End of story.
Sorry if that dose not suit Jaba or Rats suit them but that's the facts as it stands at this point of time. 🙊🙉🙈
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Lenarcic .. I would be surprised if he adopted so simplistic a position. Haven't spoken with Charles for years - good to see he is still going strong.
I forgotten more than you know about piston engines
Nearest 100 hours will do for someone of your experience.