Coast-watch contract renewal
When the cargo door was modded for dropping ops on ze dornier it spelt the end for rpt ops. They are limited now to air work only.
They will more than likely be parked up awaiting a suitable use somewhere else.
They will more than likely be parked up awaiting a suitable use somewhere else.
Best guess is CL-604 (cns mel per) & DHC8 (drw?)
I guess yr right's "hot tip" on Jetgo wasn't so hot after all.
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Cobham wins the AMSA Contract
Cobham SAR Services have won the AMSA Contract operating Challenger 604 Aircraft. 1st aircraft into service in 2016. Contract goes for 12 Years with an option to extend for another 3 years
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721 Squadron RDAF
Link below about 721 Squadron Royal Danish Airforce and their CL604 MPA. Includes interior photos and and one photo showing drop capability from the rear cargo door.
721 Squadron ? Danish transport squadron | FLYMAG
From the article;
The search is done typically by a rapid descent to a lower altitude, typically 500-800 feet at a speed of about 200 knots, in the area where the missing person or ship is believed to be.
It then searches the area both visually and using the FLIR camera, flying a search pattern which is slowly expanded in the direction the missing persons or ship would have drifted with the wind and currents known to be in the area. This is a situation where the Challengers five man crew comes into good use. Everybody keeps a lookout for the missing persons and if needed, the flight engineer can drop a life raft and/or a marker in the vicinity of those in need.
When the missing persons are found, the aircraft descends to about 100 feet and make a fly-by to confirm that it is in fact the people they were looking for and to assess their situation. At the same time, the aircraft position is plotted and sent to the relevant authorities, who then dispatch either a rescue helicopter or rescue boat.
721 Squadron ? Danish transport squadron | FLYMAG
From the article;
The search is done typically by a rapid descent to a lower altitude, typically 500-800 feet at a speed of about 200 knots, in the area where the missing person or ship is believed to be.
It then searches the area both visually and using the FLIR camera, flying a search pattern which is slowly expanded in the direction the missing persons or ship would have drifted with the wind and currents known to be in the area. This is a situation where the Challengers five man crew comes into good use. Everybody keeps a lookout for the missing persons and if needed, the flight engineer can drop a life raft and/or a marker in the vicinity of those in need.
When the missing persons are found, the aircraft descends to about 100 feet and make a fly-by to confirm that it is in fact the people they were looking for and to assess their situation. At the same time, the aircraft position is plotted and sent to the relevant authorities, who then dispatch either a rescue helicopter or rescue boat.
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Okay, the title of this thread is COAST WATCH CONTRACT RENEWAL.
Today it was announced that Cobham has won the SEARCH and RESCUE CONTRACT.
Cobham wins $640m AMSA search and rescue contract | Australian Aviation
Now did the original poster, Soup Nazi mean the SAR contract or the Coastwatch contract?
They are two distinctly different contracts, fulfilling different roles with different aircraft. It just so happens that Cobham will have both from 2016.
Er, no it doesn't. It may look like that to someone who does not understand the roles and culture of the two organisations (Customs & AMSA)
Again, no they don't. Perhaps you could list three or four?
Today it was announced that Cobham has won the SEARCH and RESCUE CONTRACT.
Cobham wins $640m AMSA search and rescue contract | Australian Aviation
Now did the original poster, Soup Nazi mean the SAR contract or the Coastwatch contract?
They are two distinctly different contracts, fulfilling different roles with different aircraft. It just so happens that Cobham will have both from 2016.
Makes sense to amalgamate both contracts and change the name [with Customs boats etc] and call it the Australian Coast Guard....
Not going into too much detail, if you have the time, you may want to look up the structure of AMSA-Border Protection command-ADF-Police and Federal police joint forces and structure. AMSA have a lot of assets.
Last edited by Icarus2001; 24th Oct 2014 at 11:30. Reason: Discovered more opinion masquerading as fact. :)
Well good on Cobham.
I lament their corporate success in being able to provide a much needed capability upgrade for AMSA services.
It is however a damming indictment of the process, there are several FACTS that seem to have been glossed over in the awarding of the contract. That for all its visibility seem to be massaging the ego of big business and once again canberra has elected to provide less for more cost.
The two other final contenders for the Jet component should rightly be spitting pills right about now.
Fact is the other tenderers submitted similar or bids that meet the $32.5M p/a operating cost...... Cobham has not (640/12=53), you work out where the extra money is going. Especially when one operator tendered exactly the same airframe.
Fact, it was a requirement of the tender that the bidder had the aircraft on the AOC, once again, two did, one did not........ and of course the one that did not got the nod.
So once again, although there is a capability increase and back slapping all round the reality is, canberra lobbyists have extracted their value, a foreign owned big business, has been remarkably successful in a competitive bid process that once again shows that the real loser is the Australian Tax Payer.
It is great that there is a capability increase, yet the process is rotten. A non conforming bid appears to have won the day....... again. Yet for all the cost involved in government process to be fair and transparent the machine has once again steam rolled democratic process and what is good for the end user..... the Australian public.
With a nearly a Quarter of a billion $ difference where one competitor bid with identical equipment.
The process and outcome stinks, the other bidders have very good reason to cry foul on this one.
FACTS
Competition......no, you now have a monopoly.
Price..... no, you now have more expense.
Capability.... no, identical equipment tendered.
Process ...... no, a non conforming bid has succeed.
Whats wrong with this picture.
I lament their corporate success in being able to provide a much needed capability upgrade for AMSA services.
It is however a damming indictment of the process, there are several FACTS that seem to have been glossed over in the awarding of the contract. That for all its visibility seem to be massaging the ego of big business and once again canberra has elected to provide less for more cost.
The two other final contenders for the Jet component should rightly be spitting pills right about now.
Fact is the other tenderers submitted similar or bids that meet the $32.5M p/a operating cost...... Cobham has not (640/12=53), you work out where the extra money is going. Especially when one operator tendered exactly the same airframe.
Fact, it was a requirement of the tender that the bidder had the aircraft on the AOC, once again, two did, one did not........ and of course the one that did not got the nod.
So once again, although there is a capability increase and back slapping all round the reality is, canberra lobbyists have extracted their value, a foreign owned big business, has been remarkably successful in a competitive bid process that once again shows that the real loser is the Australian Tax Payer.
It is great that there is a capability increase, yet the process is rotten. A non conforming bid appears to have won the day....... again. Yet for all the cost involved in government process to be fair and transparent the machine has once again steam rolled democratic process and what is good for the end user..... the Australian public.
With a nearly a Quarter of a billion $ difference where one competitor bid with identical equipment.
The process and outcome stinks, the other bidders have very good reason to cry foul on this one.
FACTS
Competition......no, you now have a monopoly.
Price..... no, you now have more expense.
Capability.... no, identical equipment tendered.
Process ...... no, a non conforming bid has succeed.
Whats wrong with this picture.
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Twotbags
you forgot:
VIABILITY..................ala AMMAN aviation.
Anyway, I am guessing equal amount of pilot jobs, so if business has issues (and who knows, may even be justifiable so) maybe they should lament/vent on an Business Bulletin Board....or refuse to pay their Lobbyists bill.
you forgot:
VIABILITY..................ala AMMAN aviation.
Anyway, I am guessing equal amount of pilot jobs, so if business has issues (and who knows, may even be justifiable so) maybe they should lament/vent on an Business Bulletin Board....or refuse to pay their Lobbyists bill.
Fact, it was a requirement of the tender that the bidder had the aircraft on the AOC ...
I think you'll find that your 'fact' is, in fact, fiction.
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All I said was that jet go had put in for it with jets. Then I was told you can't use jets but weight the winner is useing what ?????
Anyone with any idea knew who won months ago. Chob was the clear choice with back up behind them. The real only surprise is the 604. I think everyone will agree to that we'll expect Clinton aka creamie.
All I said was that jet go had put in for it with jets. Then I was told you can't use jets but weight the winner is useing what ?????
Anyone with any idea knew who won months ago. Chob was the clear choice with back up behind them. The real only surprise is the 604. I think everyone will agree to that we'll expect Clinton aka creamie.
Just 2 weeks ago, this
Just had an interesting phone call. Jetgo using emb135 jets are a very very very hot tip. Aircraft ready to go.
AND
Apparently ready to go full stop. Can get there quick good slow speed and good endurance. Just what I was told. The contract says what we won't and how much we will pay the rest is up to you. As I was told they on the money. I was a little shocked as we'll. I guess time will tell. Not looking good for pearl but.
Just had an interesting phone call. Jetgo using emb135 jets are a very very very hot tip. Aircraft ready to go.
AND
Apparently ready to go full stop. Can get there quick good slow speed and good endurance. Just what I was told. The contract says what we won't and how much we will pay the rest is up to you. As I was told they on the money. I was a little shocked as we'll. I guess time will tell. Not looking good for pearl but.
Anyone with any idea knew who won months ago.
You certainly need better informants, the ones you have been relying on are not in the "Know".
The reality is that line pilots or middle management pilots probably know 3/4 of 5/8 of f$%^^all. its all wishful thinking.
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As I said jet go where in with a chance. Up to that point no one had even mention them.
One would think that for the contract to be held up so long that it must have been close thing for all. Just saying
One would think that for the contract to be held up so long that it must have been close thing for all. Just saying