Cowboy helicopter flying in NT.....again!
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Cowboy helicopter flying in NT.....again!
I am suprised no one posted this one yet. It's all over the news since this morning. Happened on a Darwin beach filmed by Gerard Butler and posted on Youtube. No idea how to post a link but I am sure someone more capable will.
It is being investigated by CASA.
For a skilled helo pilot it is probably nothing but it looks damn dangerous.
It is being investigated by CASA.
For a skilled helo pilot it is probably nothing but it looks damn dangerous.
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I see:
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So c'mon Natasha, is it under investigation or isn't it?
Gerard Butler's helicopter video under investigation
An investigation had not been started, and no breaches had been officially identified.
Is it just me, or is it possible the video is in reverse with just before take off being the last thing we see?
Just a couple of weird looking dynamics, and the go-pro angle kind of skews it as well..?
Just a couple of weird looking dynamics, and the go-pro angle kind of skews it as well..?
I am suprised no one posted this one yet.
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There is a rumour that a well financed group is putting these videos together and throwing them out there as bait.
After the CAsA's setup and execution of John Quadrio, there are one or two people out there looking for "JUSTICE" and since our Wuss of a minister is content to ignore corruption they are using CAsA tactics in an attempt to set a hook.
The CAsA expert who set Quadrio up, is now basking in a highly paid GA job, which is pretty disgusting considering his track record.
CAsA will pursue an individual they deem "not fit and proper" into their grave to make sure they never work again, yet we as an industry fall over ourselves to give a top job in our industry to a person who perverted the course of justice, probably committed perjury, destroyed a citizens career, livelihood and possibly state of mind.
We really are hookers.
Why should we be surprised though, CAsA employed the skull...did anyone look at his track record?
Guess our regulator sets the standard in the probity stakes.
Considering what he did, Quadrio's nemesis should be in jail, not basking in the high end of GA.
If the rumour is true, good luck guys, wind them in and crucify the bastards.
After the CAsA's setup and execution of John Quadrio, there are one or two people out there looking for "JUSTICE" and since our Wuss of a minister is content to ignore corruption they are using CAsA tactics in an attempt to set a hook.
The CAsA expert who set Quadrio up, is now basking in a highly paid GA job, which is pretty disgusting considering his track record.
CAsA will pursue an individual they deem "not fit and proper" into their grave to make sure they never work again, yet we as an industry fall over ourselves to give a top job in our industry to a person who perverted the course of justice, probably committed perjury, destroyed a citizens career, livelihood and possibly state of mind.
We really are hookers.
Why should we be surprised though, CAsA employed the skull...did anyone look at his track record?
Guess our regulator sets the standard in the probity stakes.
Considering what he did, Quadrio's nemesis should be in jail, not basking in the high end of GA.
If the rumour is true, good luck guys, wind them in and crucify the bastards.
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Not sure of the details but this summary from Aviation Advertiser may help.
Birds? What birds? ? aviationadvertiser.com.au
Birds? What birds? ? aviationadvertiser.com.au
UNNECESSARY QUESTION . . . . . just read the Phelan article . . . the star chamber types are revealed in all their gory
Grounded indefinitely:
It is now nearly three years since CASA’s senior FOI at Cairns, Dennis Allwood, arranged the meeting that in effect resulted in North Queensland commercial helicopter pilot John Quadrio being summarily kicked out of the industry. That outcome was achieved without the production of any valid evidence and without any formal regulatory action at all. The action, which required the cooperation of the CASA certificate holder who employed him, was taken on the basis of untested allegations against Mr Quadrio that had come from an unusually dodgy source.
Mr Quadrio – we’ll just call him John from here on – is a mature-age pilot from a farming background who enjoyed a reputation as a conscientious and safety-minded helicopter pilot. He was employed by Cairns-based commercial helicopter operator Heli Charters, much whose operations are scenic flights from helipads on the Great Barrier Reef near Cairns, flying small groups of tourists whose day cruise craft visits the pontoon.
Their operating environment is outside but close to controlled airspace, and pilots have to manage each flight with continuous care because of pretty high traffic levels, with hundreds of tourists visiting Cairns wanting to see the reef from the air, and a number of helicopter and fixed wing operators are there to serve that market.
The other hazard is bird encounters which are a daily occurrence, and on some days it’s a continuous problem that can only be managed by a constant and alert lookout. Frequent avoidance manoeuvring is so routine for any pilot operating these flights that it’s all in a day’s work and is not remarkable.
John says that had Mr Allwood accepted the offer of a visit to Hastings Reef he would have been far better informed on this issue, including the frequency and variety of bird life and the ample evidence of it that has to be cleaned off the helipad and other assets there quite regularly.
Grounded indefinitely:
It is now nearly three years since CASA’s senior FOI at Cairns, Dennis Allwood, arranged the meeting that in effect resulted in North Queensland commercial helicopter pilot John Quadrio being summarily kicked out of the industry. That outcome was achieved without the production of any valid evidence and without any formal regulatory action at all. The action, which required the cooperation of the CASA certificate holder who employed him, was taken on the basis of untested allegations against Mr Quadrio that had come from an unusually dodgy source.
Mr Quadrio – we’ll just call him John from here on – is a mature-age pilot from a farming background who enjoyed a reputation as a conscientious and safety-minded helicopter pilot. He was employed by Cairns-based commercial helicopter operator Heli Charters, much whose operations are scenic flights from helipads on the Great Barrier Reef near Cairns, flying small groups of tourists whose day cruise craft visits the pontoon.
Their operating environment is outside but close to controlled airspace, and pilots have to manage each flight with continuous care because of pretty high traffic levels, with hundreds of tourists visiting Cairns wanting to see the reef from the air, and a number of helicopter and fixed wing operators are there to serve that market.
The other hazard is bird encounters which are a daily occurrence, and on some days it’s a continuous problem that can only be managed by a constant and alert lookout. Frequent avoidance manoeuvring is so routine for any pilot operating these flights that it’s all in a day’s work and is not remarkable.
John says that had Mr Allwood accepted the offer of a visit to Hastings Reef he would have been far better informed on this issue, including the frequency and variety of bird life and the ample evidence of it that has to be cleaned off the helipad and other assets there quite regularly.
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I saw this on the news and and thought this will get posted.
M initial thought was he wasn't doing anything that cattle musterers don't seem to do.
Now sunday, by pure coincidence watching a cattle program and mustering on a big qld station.
Most of what is on the program is the same type of flying, except with one hell of a lot trees.
So what is so different with this video ?
Just my ho.
M initial thought was he wasn't doing anything that cattle musterers don't seem to do.
Now sunday, by pure coincidence watching a cattle program and mustering on a big qld station.
Most of what is on the program is the same type of flying, except with one hell of a lot trees.
So what is so different with this video ?
Just my ho.
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No sound 
...for me any way.
Oft times just listening to an unseen chopper and yer get a ruff idea what they is doing.
Vid looks to be in two parts: 1 - a slightly circling approach to avoid the people on the ground, with the camera making it look close, and then, 2 - a take off sequence played in reverse to look like a landing. Or, perhaps in shot 2 we see where them NT pilots have approached a "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" sorta higher plane of existence where they can operate helicopters out side the laws of aerodynamics...
Seems to me who ever took the vid is just looking to get some media w@nker time...
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...for me any way.Oft times just listening to an unseen chopper and yer get a ruff idea what they is doing.
Vid looks to be in two parts: 1 - a slightly circling approach to avoid the people on the ground, with the camera making it look close, and then, 2 - a take off sequence played in reverse to look like a landing. Or, perhaps in shot 2 we see where them NT pilots have approached a "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" sorta higher plane of existence where they can operate helicopters out side the laws of aerodynamics...
Seems to me who ever took the vid is just looking to get some media w@nker time...
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Camera angles and lenses can be deceiving....
Better lock up these guys too then.
Better lock up these guys too then.
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Regulation by armchair??
GoPro cameras can do some pretty shmick things. I would hope that if these CAsA fools are going to continue to use PoohTube footage as their means of regulating and undertaking investigations and taking action (saves them accommodation and airfare costs doesn't it?), they should all take lessons in digital media and cinematography, at the high end of the scale (although CAsA can't even get its own house in order let alone learn the tricks of cinematography). Some of today's relatively cheap equipment can do amazing things, including making Whirlybirds look like they are breaking every regulation in the rule book!!
CAsA's growing obsession with chopper pilots is ridiculous. Some of these guys are ex Vietnam pilots or have spent a decade flying PNG. They would be a lot safer airborne than some of today's kiddies with 2 years Microsoft flight experience who are now sitting in the right hand seat of some of our larger passenger jets.
CAsA's growing obsession with chopper pilots is ridiculous. Some of these guys are ex Vietnam pilots or have spent a decade flying PNG. They would be a lot safer airborne than some of today's kiddies with 2 years Microsoft flight experience who are now sitting in the right hand seat of some of our larger passenger jets.
Last edited by 004wercras; 27th Jul 2014 at 20:46. Reason: Taking a minutes silence in support of Quadrio.
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Australia isn't Nam or PNG and what was done (or still is done???) in Nam or PNG or anywhere else for that matter may not be legal in Australia. Isn't it CASA's function to investigate potential aviation safety hazards/breaches through what ever intel it receives? Obviously there are a few people who feel that this event was out of the ordinary and possibly outside the legal boundaries as it's been posted on Pprune!!
There may not have been a rule broken in this case, however CASA certainly has the right to ask questions if they feel that it is necessary. There are way to many fatal accident reports coming out of the ATSB these days where pilots have killed themselves and others due to stupid reckless acts, beat ups, attempting to land on unlit airstrips at night and flying at night without a NVFR or IFR rating to name a few.....
Australia isn't Nam or PNG and what was done (or still is done???) in Nam or PNG or anywhere else for that matter may not be legal in Australia. Isn't it CASA's function to investigate potential aviation safety hazards/breaches through what ever intel it receives? Obviously there are a few people who feel that this event was out of the ordinary and possibly outside the legal boundaries as it's been posted on Pprune!!
There may not have been a rule broken in this case, however CASA certainly has the right to ask questions if they feel that it is necessary. There are way to many fatal accident reports coming out of the ATSB these days where pilots have killed themselves and others due to stupid reckless acts, beat ups, attempting to land on unlit airstrips at night and flying at night without a NVFR or IFR rating to name a few.....
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DP "There may not have been a rule broken in this case, however CASA certainly has the right to ask questions if they feel that it is necessary. There are way to many fatal accident reports coming out of the ATSB these days where pilots have killed themselves and others due to stupid reckless acts, beat ups, attempting to land on unlit airstrips at night and flying at night without a NVFR or IFR rating to name a few....."
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Compliance and Enforcement Program Order 2150, contains the statement:-
The FAA compliance and enforcement program is designed to promote compliance with statutory and regulatory requirements. The program provides a wide range of options for addressing non-compliance.
These options include educational and remedial training efforts, administrative action in the form of either a warning notice or letter of correction, certificate suspensions for a fixed period of time, civil penalties, indefinite certificate suspensions pending compliance or demonstration of qualifications, certificate revocations, injunctions, and referrals for criminal prosecution.
When violations occur, whether they involve operating an airport; producing aircraft, products, or parts; performing aircraft maintenance; operating aircraft; or shipping hazardous materials, FAA enforcement personnel must take that action most appropriate to promote safety and compliance with the regulations.
The initial priority of FAA investigative personnel is to correct any ongoing non-compliances. FAA personnel then determine what action to take by evaluating, among other things, the seriousness and safety risk imposed by the non-compliance. Elements of the FAA compliance and enforcement program also seek to promote safety and greater compliance by encouraging regulated persons to disclose their own violations and the circumstances surrounding those violations. Based on information provided through such disclosures, the agency’s compliance and enforcement program fosters the implementation of permanent corrective measures to improve overall safety. My bold
The FAA compliance and enforcement program is designed to promote compliance with statutory and regulatory requirements. The program provides a wide range of options for addressing non-compliance.
These options include educational and remedial training efforts, administrative action in the form of either a warning notice or letter of correction, certificate suspensions for a fixed period of time, civil penalties, indefinite certificate suspensions pending compliance or demonstration of qualifications, certificate revocations, injunctions, and referrals for criminal prosecution.
When violations occur, whether they involve operating an airport; producing aircraft, products, or parts; performing aircraft maintenance; operating aircraft; or shipping hazardous materials, FAA enforcement personnel must take that action most appropriate to promote safety and compliance with the regulations.
The initial priority of FAA investigative personnel is to correct any ongoing non-compliances. FAA personnel then determine what action to take by evaluating, among other things, the seriousness and safety risk imposed by the non-compliance. Elements of the FAA compliance and enforcement program also seek to promote safety and greater compliance by encouraging regulated persons to disclose their own violations and the circumstances surrounding those violations. Based on information provided through such disclosures, the agency’s compliance and enforcement program fosters the implementation of permanent corrective measures to improve overall safety. My bold
Anyway – it's been a rum year so far; and, if the solution is not presenting through prosecution, perhaps better education could provide the answers. Dunno – but it's a worry
Just saying.....
Duck Pilot, why are you trying to beat up a video that was originally put to air by an attention seeking actor ? Do you think pprune is a bit quiet at the moment...
The helicopter was simply doing a circling approach to a successful landing..
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The helicopter was simply doing a circling approach to a successful landing..
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