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South Coast aircraft down 6/7/14

Old 6th Jul 2014, 05:07
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South Coast aircraft down 6/7/14

Reports of a light aircraft crashing into the ocean 1km off the headland at Tomkin, near Batemans Bay.
We are not having a good run lately.
I hope it's just unsubstantiated rumor, but for God sake people, PLEASE be careful this is happening too much.
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 05:17
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Don't normally post but sorry to say it is not a rumour, having just read the article in the SMH
30 minutes before you posted (smh.com.au).
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 05:39
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A very sad week for GA in NSW. May he RIP and condolences to all affected. I hope they find the missing person safe and well, but sadly I fear this will not be so.

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Old 6th Jul 2014, 06:40
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GW was a great man, helped me during my early years and was someone whos high standards I always aspired to. Will miss him.
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 09:02
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A handwritten note slipped to me by Mr White a few months ago:

Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit…what a ride!
The man loved his flying and was bloody good at teaching it too...I remember his smile when he gently applied the right rudder every time I forgot to in a go-around. Never said a word about it - let his actions do the talking.

Respected and liked by all.

RIP.
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Old 7th Jul 2014, 01:20
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What a shocker of a month for Australian aviation. From what I've heard the instructor sounds like a great guy who really loved instructing.

Was this aircraft a Morgan Sierra?
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Bienniel flight review kills two - CAsA denies involvement

Mr White and his passenger, both in their 60s, had set out at 11.50am on an ultralight plane from Moruya airport to conduct a biannual flying assessment of one of the men’s skills.

well done CAsA
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Old 7th Jul 2014, 02:31
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W8,

RAAus people want freedom from CASA oversight of:
- Maintenance
- construction
- medical standards
- licencing and training oversight

CASA has tried to influence and control these factors while granting RAAus the authority to oversee those functions.

I am not sre how on earth you think CASA is in any way responsible for the tragedy that unfolded.
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Old 7th Jul 2014, 02:50
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HLB - I think he was more tong-in-cheek commenting on the bi-annual part. If that's not correct, then I dunno and that's the problem with the written word on a forum.


HLB - as you are likely close to this in terms of what you do, what are your thoughts on conducting BFR's in kit built aircraft?
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Old 7th Jul 2014, 02:53
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If anyone wishes to share their memories of Graham, or to pass on any messages to his family, I have started a separate thread here:

http://www.pprune.org/pacific-genera...ham-white.html

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Old 7th Jul 2014, 03:01
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Morgan Sierra

XXX, what is the inference in your question?
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I don't get confronted with the problem very much. If I know the builder and I have seen their work during construction I am usually very comfortable (or very polite in declining the offer).

I don't know anything about this event or the aircraft involved (or even what type).
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Old 7th Jul 2014, 03:36
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It was a Morgan Sierra if the news reports are correct.

Ferris Wheel crash at Old Bar [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums

Same aircraft type of Tarree Ferris Wheel fame and yes, the aircraft design didn't cause it to hit the Ferris wheel, however what was found during the ATSB report told quite a story.
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Old Bar Ferris Wheel - Morgan Sierra

XXX, absolutely no link can be drawn between the Old Bar Ferris Wheel accident involving a Morgan Sierra and the tragic accident involving the same type of aircraft, if indeed it was. In fact, despite the findings of the enquiry into the Old Bar accident the Sierra remained remarkably intact.
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XXX, absolutely no link can be drawn between the Old Bar Ferris Wheel accident involving a Morgan Sierra and the tragic accident involving the same type of aircraft
Hence my comment. I never suggested that, I was saying that it was the same aircraft type and noted that the aircraft design did not cause it to hit the ferris wheel.

In fact, despite the findings of the enquiry into the Old Bar accident the Sierra remained remarkably intact.
I would be focusing on the findings of the ATSB report including photos, versus what the aircraft looked like after it crashed. The wreckage underwent expert analysis by trained investigators and engineers.
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ATSB Report

XXX, by focusing on the ATSB report and the photographs therein, one could call into question the build quality of the Old Bar accident aircraft. It seems to me that you are inferring that the accident yesterday may involve an aircraft with similar deficiencies without any shred of evidence that such is the case.

It would be prudent to wait until further information is available, at least until the aircraft type is confirmed by a relevant authority rather than the SMH or other news source.
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Old Fella, I'm only going to say this one more time. I'm not inferring anything regarding the aircraft type, so please do not continue to suggest this. Please read my post carefully.
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XXX, I think I know the meaning of "manufacturer". Any aircraft built from a kit has, by definition, been "constructed" from a kit which has been "manufactured".

The Sierra may be constructed by the manufacturer, Morgan's, or from a kit by another constructor. Having been involved in aircraft maintenance and/or operation since the late 1950's I think I have a grasp of aviation terminology.

As for suggesting you have a grudge against the Morgan Sierra, nothing of the sort entered my mind.
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XXX, just enquiring re your post in which you said "in GA speak the kit builder means the manufacturer". I seems to have gone missing....
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Daily telegraph reporting possible bird strike as the cause.
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