Australian Flying Jobs?
Commercial Pilot is not currently in the Australian Skilled Occupations List. This means Australia does not have a skills shortage in commercial pilots and that occupation will not assist you to obtain any Australian resident working Visa.
In effect, the Australian Government considers there are enough Australian Commercial Pilots living in Australia to fill current requirements.
In effect, the Australian Government considers there are enough Australian Commercial Pilots living in Australia to fill current requirements.
Before embarking on this route I would suggest investigating whether their experience would likely result in the type of job they want, or any job. Not sure what the US job market is looking for anymore but even entry-level regional airline jobs in Australia have relatively high requirements (e.g. multi-engine P1 time).
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"I won't even go into the pedantic and anal way we approach everything involved in moving an aircraft from point A to point B."
Oh man did you hit that nail on the head!!
The cost of which is why the Aviation Industry is spiraling down the gurgler.
Safety levels are diminishing and the industries ability to remain viable becomes increasingly problematic, as the rule of the regulator runs rampant.
You see in Australia we have discarded the "Rule of Law" and replaced it with the "Rule by regulation".
Australia is a land of "rules" there's a rule for everything.
Probably why our cost of living is through the roof as well.
Oh man did you hit that nail on the head!!
The cost of which is why the Aviation Industry is spiraling down the gurgler.
Safety levels are diminishing and the industries ability to remain viable becomes increasingly problematic, as the rule of the regulator runs rampant.
You see in Australia we have discarded the "Rule of Law" and replaced it with the "Rule by regulation".
Australia is a land of "rules" there's a rule for everything.
Probably why our cost of living is through the roof as well.
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Student, do you mind me asking where I can find that information? I've been all over the department of immigration website, and the only thing I found backs up what the other guy said about it not being a nationally required skill. Where can I find it broken down by state?
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yeah,
plenty bartenders, waiters and shuttle drivers in Broome waiting/looking for some SEP jobs. Actually, after seeing the S92 doing some IFR training half year ago, mentioning aviation to the holiday villas/hotel shuttle bus concierge, he mentioned this fact himself.
Not exactly TP or jet airliner jobs right away. I do feel for Aussies 'going traditional route' and being blocked off some jobs higher up by silly insurance/hiring requirements. But hey, that's happening in Europe, too. Even worse. So everything's relative.
As for the pilot job, well, the remark about the SOL list NOT having pilot is right. What the poster failed to mention (in expected, get the F outta here, leave our jobs for us), or by sheer coincidence, is that there's Consolidated SOL, CSOL. Just like WA has its SMOL. Actually, from checking some state specific lists, I've seen quite a difference between, say Queensland, WA or Victoria. Obviously, Victoria and Melbourne doesn't need the larger number of jobs (and migrants) attracted by SMOL.
CSOL has lot more
ANZSCO code 231111
Consolidated Sponsored Occupations List
Subclas 186 Employer Nomination Scheme (ENS) can use CSOL job with 'approved employer' etc. That does NOT have to be regional Australia.
Subclass 187 - Regional Sponsored Migration Scheme (RSMS) as name says, regional Australia employer, higher priority processing (esp useful for people applying offshore)
Then there's subclass 190 - state/territory sponsored/nominated, which requires 2yr commitment, not employer specific, but most parts of Oz wouldn't have 'aeroplane pilot' in SMOL to give extra points for someone's EOI and visa application. Just FYI.
ALL ABOVE are PERMANENT residence visa - with min time with company as caveat - understandably.
The visa the airline would most likely do, would be subclass 457. The eligibility and processing criteria got stricter, but now you cannot be charged or have the costs of paperwork/application/admin recovered from you (maybe with tad smaller hourly pay, ehrm, but not direct). Again, after couple years, doable to get PR/'Aussie green card', well, more like ocre/orange dust card...
So yeah. Doable. Time/paperwork consuming if hired. Worth it? Hm.
Annoying/upsetting some local pilots? Sure.
As some mentioned, the real disposable income after high property cost (driven up by mining boom and cascading elsewhere, plus speculating/buy to let, lots of Asians buying up off the plan properties as investment spiralling it further up), tax, labour/services, car servicing labour rates doubled in half decade (Yeah!), food.
If you want to relocate/settle in Oz, play by the rules, then others cannot do anything about it. Oh, complain to their union. Unions in some sectors are ridiculous (too much power, even silly stuff), customer service quality levels nowhere near USA.
Most visa subclasses need positive skills assessment and that's some expenses you have to bear. CASA or VETASSESS (for other specific aviation occupations) expect some years of experience etc. I noticed the rates went up past year or two by lot more than inflation rate, too. Surprise surprise.
Hope it helps to get an idea.
I'm returning to Oz around November, then finally sort my heli conversion stuff, eventually do airplane commercial in US and more, then convert in Oz later on. I've slightly used 417 visa, now have granted 476 visa (unrestricted 18mth, 'engineering grad only') and later will sort 189/190 or others as needed. Voila. Simples. Well, not, nor cheap, but hey, got tired of UK weather, no green card for US (yet), Canada too cold in winter for my liking and meant to migrate to Oz since long before I even touched aviation for real.
Aussies telling foreigners to
off with various tone levels, should get their aviation and industries sorted and if some airline wants job ready Dash 8 or Saab PICs with PIC time on type, cutting costs, legally so, then so it is. You take up the opportunity. Or you use other qualifications/experience to sort 189 visa etc yourself and then work in aviation, like some have done and will do. I never said the bigger picture is all fair and straightforward, but so isn't life and following rules/regulations and minding own interests is expected.
Besides, talking about 'finding Sheila'. As per the Australian laws, one can file for family stream migration visa after de facto relationship/documented and evidenced cohabitation etc, after 12 months and then it's maybe 4-6 months processing and all one needs for the 'orange card'
to arrive, is another year of genuine relationship or so. Well, could have changed slightly since I checked. One of my pilot friends has done so, European, but it was headache for him. So essentially no marriage needed, but definitely not simple 'green card marriage' scenario. If you meet and live with Australian citizen in USA, you could 'pave the way', so to speak.
FCRJD, if you make it to Oz and in Brisbane or I happen to be near, you owe me a beer.
10-15 bucks a pint in bar, btw
plenty bartenders, waiters and shuttle drivers in Broome waiting/looking for some SEP jobs. Actually, after seeing the S92 doing some IFR training half year ago, mentioning aviation to the holiday villas/hotel shuttle bus concierge, he mentioned this fact himself.
Not exactly TP or jet airliner jobs right away. I do feel for Aussies 'going traditional route' and being blocked off some jobs higher up by silly insurance/hiring requirements. But hey, that's happening in Europe, too. Even worse. So everything's relative.
As for the pilot job, well, the remark about the SOL list NOT having pilot is right. What the poster failed to mention (in expected, get the F outta here, leave our jobs for us), or by sheer coincidence, is that there's Consolidated SOL, CSOL. Just like WA has its SMOL. Actually, from checking some state specific lists, I've seen quite a difference between, say Queensland, WA or Victoria. Obviously, Victoria and Melbourne doesn't need the larger number of jobs (and migrants) attracted by SMOL.
CSOL has lot more
ANZSCO code 231111
Consolidated Sponsored Occupations List
Subclas 186 Employer Nomination Scheme (ENS) can use CSOL job with 'approved employer' etc. That does NOT have to be regional Australia.
Subclass 187 - Regional Sponsored Migration Scheme (RSMS) as name says, regional Australia employer, higher priority processing (esp useful for people applying offshore)
Then there's subclass 190 - state/territory sponsored/nominated, which requires 2yr commitment, not employer specific, but most parts of Oz wouldn't have 'aeroplane pilot' in SMOL to give extra points for someone's EOI and visa application. Just FYI.
ALL ABOVE are PERMANENT residence visa - with min time with company as caveat - understandably.
The visa the airline would most likely do, would be subclass 457. The eligibility and processing criteria got stricter, but now you cannot be charged or have the costs of paperwork/application/admin recovered from you (maybe with tad smaller hourly pay, ehrm, but not direct). Again, after couple years, doable to get PR/'Aussie green card', well, more like ocre/orange dust card...
So yeah. Doable. Time/paperwork consuming if hired. Worth it? Hm.
Annoying/upsetting some local pilots? Sure.
As some mentioned, the real disposable income after high property cost (driven up by mining boom and cascading elsewhere, plus speculating/buy to let, lots of Asians buying up off the plan properties as investment spiralling it further up), tax, labour/services, car servicing labour rates doubled in half decade (Yeah!), food.
If you want to relocate/settle in Oz, play by the rules, then others cannot do anything about it. Oh, complain to their union. Unions in some sectors are ridiculous (too much power, even silly stuff), customer service quality levels nowhere near USA.
Most visa subclasses need positive skills assessment and that's some expenses you have to bear. CASA or VETASSESS (for other specific aviation occupations) expect some years of experience etc. I noticed the rates went up past year or two by lot more than inflation rate, too. Surprise surprise.
Hope it helps to get an idea.
I'm returning to Oz around November, then finally sort my heli conversion stuff, eventually do airplane commercial in US and more, then convert in Oz later on. I've slightly used 417 visa, now have granted 476 visa (unrestricted 18mth, 'engineering grad only') and later will sort 189/190 or others as needed. Voila. Simples. Well, not, nor cheap, but hey, got tired of UK weather, no green card for US (yet), Canada too cold in winter for my liking and meant to migrate to Oz since long before I even touched aviation for real.
Aussies telling foreigners to
off with various tone levels, should get their aviation and industries sorted and if some airline wants job ready Dash 8 or Saab PICs with PIC time on type, cutting costs, legally so, then so it is. You take up the opportunity. Or you use other qualifications/experience to sort 189 visa etc yourself and then work in aviation, like some have done and will do. I never said the bigger picture is all fair and straightforward, but so isn't life and following rules/regulations and minding own interests is expected.Besides, talking about 'finding Sheila'. As per the Australian laws, one can file for family stream migration visa after de facto relationship/documented and evidenced cohabitation etc, after 12 months and then it's maybe 4-6 months processing and all one needs for the 'orange card'
to arrive, is another year of genuine relationship or so. Well, could have changed slightly since I checked. One of my pilot friends has done so, European, but it was headache for him. So essentially no marriage needed, but definitely not simple 'green card marriage' scenario. If you meet and live with Australian citizen in USA, you could 'pave the way', so to speak.FCRJD, if you make it to Oz and in Brisbane or I happen to be near, you owe me a beer.
10-15 bucks a pint in bar, btw
