J32 Reliability
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J32 Reliability
Just poking around the interwebs and a young fella of faint acquaintance has made the following statement:
"(The J32 is)...larger than a Kingair and cheaper than ... a metro or beech 1900 with higher dispatch reliability"
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"(The J32 is)...larger than a Kingair and cheaper than ... a metro or beech 1900 with higher dispatch reliability"
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Larger than a Kingair, yes, one has 9-11 seats and the other has 19.
Cheaper, yes.
Dispatch reliability, about the same as the Metro, but no where near has reliable as the Kingair or 1900.
Cheaper, yes.
Dispatch reliability, about the same as the Metro, but no where near has reliable as the Kingair or 1900.
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An aircraft is only as reliable as the work that goes into it. Don't look after it it will break. How ever in saying that give me a B1900 ant day it will be a better aircraft than anything else you can buy in its class.
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The B1900D is an awesome machines, but without deep pockets and RPT that pays for it don't bother!
On a hindsight B1900D leases for US$40k a month and a BAe 32EP $20k a month.
Do the maths...
But 1900 can take more out of Australia climate than the BAe 32's even if they are phase 4's
On a hindsight B1900D leases for US$40k a month and a BAe 32EP $20k a month.
Do the maths...
But 1900 can take more out of Australia climate than the BAe 32's even if they are phase 4's
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The size comparison is a "no brainer" as the young people say - of course a 19-seat aircraft is bigger than a 10/12 seat aircraft 
I have seen an Email from a Charter operator offering the J32 out at $2800 per hour, with an opening to go lower "to close the (price) gap on a KingAir". This then would affect what YrRight says:
I also wonder at these guys operating J32s in QLD when to my knowledge they have always been operated in the southern states, and were seriously payload limited 3-4 months of the year even then.
If your charter client is paying $2800-3200 per hour for 19 seats, how happy will they be about only having 15 seats for 6 months of the year?
I only have a few hours on the J32 and it is a really nice, robust little airliner but from observation (thankfully at a safe distance
) the wheels fall off whenever it rains. 
I have seen an Email from a Charter operator offering the J32 out at $2800 per hour, with an opening to go lower "to close the (price) gap on a KingAir". This then would affect what YrRight says:
An aircraft is only as reliable as the work that goes into it. Don't look after it it will break.
If your charter client is paying $2800-3200 per hour for 19 seats, how happy will they be about only having 15 seats for 6 months of the year?
I only have a few hours on the J32 and it is a really nice, robust little airliner but from observation (thankfully at a safe distance
) the wheels fall off whenever it rains.
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Can just about have any part for a 1900 any where in aust in 24 hours mmm the other we'll
If you won't reliability can go past a 1900 just a shame they no longer make them.
If you won't reliability can go past a 1900 just a shame they no longer make them.
How often are you going to utilize the full 19 seats? Maybe short sectors yes but how about those long haul runs.
Comparing it to a King Air in this case, how often could you take a full ship (11 pax + bags) 600nm - simple, never.
As for the Jetstream one would think perfect if you have 11+ pax + bags.
Perhaps there is logic behind it - good luck to them. More flying for us!
Comparing it to a King Air in this case, how often could you take a full ship (11 pax + bags) 600nm - simple, never.
As for the Jetstream one would think perfect if you have 11+ pax + bags.
Perhaps there is logic behind it - good luck to them. More flying for us!
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Hot and High with runways less than 1800 will always be a problem for the J32. Up the front they are far better than the Metro and the 1900 with more of an airliner flight deck rather than a GA machine.
Although the J32's cabin is big (wide), it's shape is a problem as the pax sitting next to the windows have the legs pushed towards the centre or the other pax. Also the rear compartment is small and a pain to load as you have to use the sane door as the passengers. Yes it as the centre pod, but once again its location and size doesn't work for large bulky items.
Given a choice out of the Metro, 1900C, 1900D and the J32 and if money wasn't an issue and from a pilot and best for the job point of view (including pax comfort) my preferences would be:
1. 1900D
2. 1900C
3. J32
4. Metro
If I was a bean counter than it would be;
1. Metro
2. J32
3. 1900C
4. 1900D
Although the J32's cabin is big (wide), it's shape is a problem as the pax sitting next to the windows have the legs pushed towards the centre or the other pax. Also the rear compartment is small and a pain to load as you have to use the sane door as the passengers. Yes it as the centre pod, but once again its location and size doesn't work for large bulky items.
Given a choice out of the Metro, 1900C, 1900D and the J32 and if money wasn't an issue and from a pilot and best for the job point of view (including pax comfort) my preferences would be:
1. 1900D
2. 1900C
3. J32
4. Metro
If I was a bean counter than it would be;
1. Metro
2. J32
3. 1900C
4. 1900D
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If anything with Flight West obviously they went the right way.
Same as replacing the Dash 8-100 with Embraer EMB120 aircraft for its milk runs cause it was faster and the crew didn't run out of hours.
Same as replacing the Dash 8-100 with Embraer EMB120 aircraft for its milk runs cause it was faster and the crew didn't run out of hours.
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A mate of mine used to fly B1900Ds for Impulse.
They were operating in/out of Cooma alongside J31s from Eastern, and both aircraft would regularly have big loads (compare that to efforts these days? One for another thread maybe). The Eastern Jetstreams would regularly have to offload pax or baggage for balance however.
One day the Captain of the Eastern J31 stormed over to the B1900 and launched into a rant about how Impulse was overloading the aircraft, must be out of balance, etc, and he would be reporting them to CASA.
They just smiled, kept loading, and never heard anything more of it
They were operating in/out of Cooma alongside J31s from Eastern, and both aircraft would regularly have big loads (compare that to efforts these days? One for another thread maybe). The Eastern Jetstreams would regularly have to offload pax or baggage for balance however.
One day the Captain of the Eastern J31 stormed over to the B1900 and launched into a rant about how Impulse was overloading the aircraft, must be out of balance, etc, and he would be reporting them to CASA.
They just smiled, kept loading, and never heard anything more of it
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Your comparing a J31 to a B1900D. The thread is a J32. Which obvious is an inferior product than a J31.
Just to show we are on the same page
Your comparing a J31 to a B1900D. The thread is a J32. Which obvious is an inferior product than a J31.
Just to show we are on the same page
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Comparing it to a King Air in this case, how often could you take a full ship (11 pax + bags) 600nm - simple, never
2500 lb payload with enough fuel for 2-3 hours + reserves @270+ knots.
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Kingair every day
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B200 & B350. Single Pilot. Both will eat a 600 mile trip with 11 POB. A J32 with 2 pilots at $2800 per hour. Broke in 6 months.
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B200 & B350. Single Pilot. Both will eat a 600 mile trip with 11 POB. A J32 with 2 pilots at $2800 per hour. Broke in 6 months.
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We loved the J31 / 32 / 41, they were for ever in strife in Qld
Performance limited, too hot, too heavy, out of balance, couldn't carry the gas, no water meth available or simply broken down
One classic ex Moranbah / BN the J32 couldn't carry the load ( about 9 ), we had a few empty seats so we topped up the King Air 350 with the mining execs who had a international flight to connect with and had them in BN 90 minutes later. The J32 went via Rocky for fuel with the left over pax. Pax on both aircraft were from the same company and the flight was organised by a broker who had the top execs in the modern airline style J32. The top execs were regular paxs on the 350 from then on. Where is the modern J32 now, gone but hey its about to be replaced ( different operator ) with a modern airline style J32, whacko. But its all too late, in coal its tough at present and the Dash 400's rule supreme in Qld.
Performance limited, too hot, too heavy, out of balance, couldn't carry the gas, no water meth available or simply broken down
One classic ex Moranbah / BN the J32 couldn't carry the load ( about 9 ), we had a few empty seats so we topped up the King Air 350 with the mining execs who had a international flight to connect with and had them in BN 90 minutes later. The J32 went via Rocky for fuel with the left over pax. Pax on both aircraft were from the same company and the flight was organised by a broker who had the top execs in the modern airline style J32. The top execs were regular paxs on the 350 from then on. Where is the modern J32 now, gone but hey its about to be replaced ( different operator ) with a modern airline style J32, whacko. But its all too late, in coal its tough at present and the Dash 400's rule supreme in Qld.
The Tasair one had been sitting for a while and had several electrical glitches as well as several others. Once these were fixed and it was flown a lot more it became more reliable. It was an expensive aircraft to operate.
As it was a heavy aircraft and had one medium size mainwheel, the NDT HAD to be done every tyre change or a bit of the flange would let go, as it did when the ops first started.
It was built like an airliner and did have some good features, but the negatives outweighed them and the aircraft became an unloved orphan.
As it was a heavy aircraft and had one medium size mainwheel, the NDT HAD to be done every tyre change or a bit of the flange would let go, as it did when the ops first started.
It was built like an airliner and did have some good features, but the negatives outweighed them and the aircraft became an unloved orphan.