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No avgas at YCDU today

Old 15th Nov 2013, 20:15
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No avgas at YCDU today

Rocked up at YCDU yesterday to find a man dismantling the old bowser and a brand new one beside it. Luckily the old one was still working despite the covers off. But he said they were switching over to the new bowser today (16 Nov 2013) and there would not be fuel available for about 6hrs.

He said it was "programmed" but I can't see any info on the notams, so if anyone is heading there expecting fuel, I'd suggest calling ahead to check.

Also a notice on the bowser saying no fuel at YCBP.
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 01:22
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The Airport Manager said they tried to NOTAM this but was refused.

Apparently, lack of availability of fuel is not a safety issue.
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 01:42
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it is in NZ;

PARAPARAUMU (NZPP):

A2211/13 FROM: 08 NOV 2013 08:22 TO: 11 DEC 2013 11:00
AIR BP AVGAS 100 EASTERN APRON NOT AVBL
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 02:03
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So New Zealand, the USA, St Lucia, the Netherlands, France, Trinidad and Ireland (just based on about 5 minutes of Googling for relevant NOTAMS) can NOTAM lack of fuel availability at an aerodrome, but apparently but we can't.

What makes Australia so special? Airservices simply can't be arsed, or like CASA do they simply know better than the rest of the world?
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 03:39
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so if anyone is heading there expecting fuel, I'd suggest calling ahead to
check
If you are counting on fuel at particular field (no alternate), ALWAYS ring beforehand to confirm!
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 03:50
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I think the summary of this is:

1) Always ring the fuel guy (if not for the fuel, for the weather !)

2) If you are the fuel guy/aerodrome operator, put in your own notams. The notam writers don't have a magical sensory perception of lack of fuel at airport XYZ.
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 03:59
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Originally Posted by outnabout View Post
The Airport Manager said they tried to NOTAM this but was refused.

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You wonder why
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 04:19
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Oh damn, missed that. Wow.
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 05:15
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I understand that Avgas won't be available at Ceduna for 8 - 10 hours today only, as Air BP are maintaining the bowsers, and shifting the Jet A1 bowser.

It's all supposed to be done today, with normal ops resumed later today.
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 06:44
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Would have been a good night in Ceduna tonight anyway .... A few cleansing ales plenty of pilot mates to chat with and a good feed at the pub ..... Life is not a rush ...
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 08:38
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Avgas172

Wish I had been passing through on an "urgent" charter. It takes a lot for some folk to learn that things are never that important.
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 09:02
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I'm dismayed............

How on earth any of you think it's acceptable to depart your home airport without ringing every fuel stop 7, 5, 3, 1 days then immediately before departure is beyond me. Lack of airmanship is an offence of strict liability, punishable by dropping your daks before your local magistrate.

On a planned 1 hour training flight I ring my CFI to ensure fuel availability on my return.

Another thing, who the [email protected] do you lot think your are? Fuel NOTAM'd out, dickheads Australia consistently rates number 2 to Indonesia regarding fuel provision and service. Number 2! What more do you want.

I plan to be stuck at least three dates after a trip, anything inside that is a bonus. Get over yourselves, princesses.

Show some damn airmanship you unprofessional swill.
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 01:17
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The availability of fuel, or lack thereof, was never considered by the head honchos to be 'NOTAM' able.....

I have no real idea as to why, but
I guess that it was never considered to be a Govt supplied service, e.g. As nav aids and runways etc etc were /are.....a 'hang over' from the good ole days....

Now that even the airports are 'private' then it's up to the ad operator to issue relevant 'NOTAM', but oddly enuf, fuel is still not considered - one of the reasons given at the time was that there are just too many 'outlets' / 'variables' and the number of 'N's so generated would swamp the system.....
And besides, it's nothing to do with Air Traffic Services......so there..!!

So, as Mr JR says, ring ring ring.......

No cheers

(Griffo....now a confirmed / fully paid up member of the unprofessional swill....)

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Old 17th Nov 2013, 01:29
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I had exactly the same issue at YBUN, bowser was out of action due to a lightning strike and they were refused to put out a NOTAM. That's a massive safety issue considering the only other fuel bowsers available in the South West of WA is Manjimup and Albany.
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 01:32
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Not a 'safety' issue as such Mr LP,

If ya ain't got de fuel ya ain't goin' flyin'.....

Safe skies are.......
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 01:39
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I'm thinking more along the lines of CRM and TEM. Pilots who get that "get there itis" and think they can push on or "should be able to make it" to another source of fuel.

That's when things go wrong.
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 08:35
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It seems the military are allowed to post fuel NOTAMs though. :roll eyes

YSRI:
HYDRANT REFUELLING AT PARKING POSITIONS 5 TO 11 NOT AVBL
FROM 09 120610 TO 11 290700 EST
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 10:11
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Ranga mate
I'm dismayed............

How on earth any of you think it's acceptable to depart your home airport without ringing every fuel stop 7, 5, 3, 1 days then immediately before departure is beyond me. Lack of airmanship is an offence of strict liability, punishable by dropping your daks before your local magistrate.

On a planned 1 hour training flight I ring my CFI to ensure fuel availability on my return.

Another thing, who the [email protected] do you lot think your are? Fuel NOTAM'd out, dickheads Australia consistently rates number 2 to Indonesia regarding fuel provision and service. Number 2! What more do you want.

I plan to be stuck at least three dates after a trip, anything inside that is a bonus. Get over yourselves, princesses.

Show some damn airmanship you unprofessional swill.
I wonder how many people see and understand the ironic signifigance of your post..

THAT IS GOLD

I do not have a link to the tread where you copped a pasting for exactluy the same thing. WTF is wrong with fuel delivery to Ceduna??

Seriously......this is just as big a joke as most things from CASA and ATSB of late.. And no I am not joking at all.

Ceduna is not some one horse town and it is not far from Geelong or Perth so WTF????

As for NOTAMS and fuel issues.......that is something I will take up with a few folk that might have a sympathetic ear.......if it helps.
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 10:23
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No Jaba, no one sees any irony in this [email protected] joke. Pontious dickheads will jump all over 'the pilot that doesn't exercise airmanship' by checking ahead for fuel. Does any body ring the shell on their drive to work to check fuel availability for their Datsun?

If you advertise fuel, provide the damn service or let people know you haven't got it, how hard is it? Either that or have the RACV carry 100 litres of avgas for when you have to call them.

Do everyone of you ring your destination to check fuel before you leave on EVERY flight you have undertaken? You WILL get caught out one day, when you do, post it here for all to give you a lecture on airmanship
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 10:43
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I saw a guy use his ingenuity to overcome this fuel issue today in his 2 seater RAA aircraft by packing 3 x 20 litre plastic jerry cans on his passenger seat. Is that even legal?
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