No more Student Pilot Licences
The whole point is that ATO's cannot be sued. So the answer to " How often has the ATO ......." is NEVER.
That all changes on Dec 4.
Aussie Bob makes a good point that a lot of the ATO's are very senior people in the industry. Some will decide its no longer worth the effort and not become a Flight Examiner. Some will pay the PI insurance and spread it across their entire activity and put up their rates 10-15% ( at a guess). Some will spread the PI over the ATO work. In which case the cost of licence tests, CIR renewals, endorsements, etc may well double.
The only thing we really know is that everything will get harder after Dec 4 and that CASA have known this for some time and have done nothing / don't care.
That all changes on Dec 4.
Aussie Bob makes a good point that a lot of the ATO's are very senior people in the industry. Some will decide its no longer worth the effort and not become a Flight Examiner. Some will pay the PI insurance and spread it across their entire activity and put up their rates 10-15% ( at a guess). Some will spread the PI over the ATO work. In which case the cost of licence tests, CIR renewals, endorsements, etc may well double.
The only thing we really know is that everything will get harder after Dec 4 and that CASA have known this for some time and have done nothing / don't care.
Last edited by Old Akro; 13th Oct 2013 at 03:03.
I have spoken to my insurance brokers about the PI issue a number of times and their answer is "we don't know".
...that's professional indemnity, not personal liability or public liability. They are all different insurance products covering seperate legal issues.
My brokers say they don't know the size of the problem, the size of the ATO body, the likely premiums, they know nothing - and they are one of the larger aviation specialist brokers. They haven't had any other enquiries about it either.
I find some of the hysteria on this thread concerning, not least because we have aparrently experienced CFIs, instructors and ATOs who do not seem to have read the legislation. Add to that the CASA instructor's reported inability to answer ill-informed questions with anything approaching credibility or authority, and we have a massive issue with English language comprehension in this industry.
My solicitors and accountants have a disclaimer on the bottom of their letterhead to the effect that they participate in a liability limitation scheme approved by (insert professional body here). If General Aviation in this country was anything other than the fractured, egoitistical self-interested sewer that it is, I could imagine such a scheme might assist ATOs in this matter.
Have a great weekend
...that's professional indemnity, not personal liability or public liability. They are all different insurance products covering seperate legal issues.
My brokers say they don't know the size of the problem, the size of the ATO body, the likely premiums, they know nothing - and they are one of the larger aviation specialist brokers. They haven't had any other enquiries about it either.
I find some of the hysteria on this thread concerning, not least because we have aparrently experienced CFIs, instructors and ATOs who do not seem to have read the legislation. Add to that the CASA instructor's reported inability to answer ill-informed questions with anything approaching credibility or authority, and we have a massive issue with English language comprehension in this industry.
My solicitors and accountants have a disclaimer on the bottom of their letterhead to the effect that they participate in a liability limitation scheme approved by (insert professional body here). If General Aviation in this country was anything other than the fractured, egoitistical self-interested sewer that it is, I could imagine such a scheme might assist ATOs in this matter.
Have a great weekend
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Or the industry as a whole could grow some nuts & force the government into change. Like they have in other countries that have nuts. But by the looks of things some of you are willing to put your nuts on the line. They must be pretty big nuts.
What 'WE' NEED .....is a 'Unionised / 'Team' approach'....
Which is precisely what 'WE' Do NOT have.........pity...
Imagine IF the WHOLE of the industry 'got together' and 'reamed it' to the Gummint......the Gummint would HAVE to sit up and take notice....???
No cheers....
Which is precisely what 'WE' Do NOT have.........pity...
Imagine IF the WHOLE of the industry 'got together' and 'reamed it' to the Gummint......the Gummint would HAVE to sit up and take notice....???
No cheers....
