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bet I know what the ATC's background was that counselled triple India over the airwaves
Last edited by YPJT; 1st Sep 2013 at 14:37.
Is this another cultural cringe of whining over a callsign. Honestly WTF cares? Is it a safety issue? Is it tall poppy syndrome? It sounds good and rolls off the tongue better.
And as for the complaint about personal email addresses on the previous page - Remember it's easy for us Gen X's and older to say, "Don't use some combo of names and numbers." Remember, we took all the our.name@ email addresses at all the free servers before the gen Y's could use a computer! It's funny looking at all the combinations of youngsters' email addresses.
And as for the complaint about personal email addresses on the previous page - Remember it's easy for us Gen X's and older to say, "Don't use some combo of names and numbers." Remember, we took all the our.name@ email addresses at all the free servers before the gen Y's could use a computer! It's funny looking at all the combinations of youngsters' email addresses.
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The ATC that "counselled" me was a tired union hack with a chip on his shoulder that only a Scots Union man could carry, rather funny really , this sort of cruddy interchange just fosters the gulf in understanding between GAAP controllers and the pilot fraternity.
Does absolutely nothing for aviation safety or concordance.
Sad stuff from someone who slavishly follows a "rule" book no matter what, I would be alarmed if I got the same guy in the middle of an emergency or uncertainty situation, have to wait for him to read the book to find out what to do.
It always amuses me to come home from U.S. where controller to operating crew is a friendly helpful environment to Australian GAAP which is confrontational, lacks performance understanding and is not a comfortable environment.
Does absolutely nothing for aviation safety or concordance.
Sad stuff from someone who slavishly follows a "rule" book no matter what, I would be alarmed if I got the same guy in the middle of an emergency or uncertainty situation, have to wait for him to read the book to find out what to do.
It always amuses me to come home from U.S. where controller to operating crew is a friendly helpful environment to Australian GAAP which is confrontational, lacks performance understanding and is not a comfortable environment.
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Interesting RatsoreA, I was told by CASA registration dept years ago that XXX would never be issued because X-ray X-ray X-ray sounds too much like Mayday Mayday Mayday and they mentioned ICAO requirements.
Several years past, sitting on the ramp at Tullamarine, waiting for catering ordered from the Crown. Pax show up, but no catering yet. Handler is on the phone, reports the Crown has delivered the catering (something like $1,000 USD per seat). Unfortunately, the driver delivered the catering to the Crown plane, crew happily boarded it for the ferry flight to SYD. We had 8 hours to K-L sans food with 8 unhappy pax. The good news was lead passenger knew Crown top management and we didn't get billed for it.
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I find it somewhat amusing that we put that much emphasis on just an email addy.
Aussies tend to have preconceived idea's on all sorts of subjects & we are often very opinionated (me 2 as I am an Aussie
) Judgmental we are perfect at:-)
I mean does it really matter how the first POC (Point Of Contact) is advertised?
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Aussies tend to have preconceived idea's on all sorts of subjects & we are often very opinionated (me 2 as I am an Aussie
) Judgmental we are perfect at:-) I mean does it really matter how the first POC (Point Of Contact) is advertised?
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Galaxy flyer.....
So you flew 8 hours without catering with 8 pax.......????
Lucky there wasn't a riot around 3 hours into the flight.....
Why couldn't they have made the crown Aircraft return?
I wouldn't accept it as a high paying client flying corporate....( not that it's ever likely to occur!!
)
I know that if that happened in my Airline we would wait for new catering to arrive, they would never expect 8 premium pax to have nothing for 8 hours!!
Couldn't your crew buy something nice in the departure area to give the pax??
So you flew 8 hours without catering with 8 pax.......????
Lucky there wasn't a riot around 3 hours into the flight.....
Why couldn't they have made the crown Aircraft return?
I wouldn't accept it as a high paying client flying corporate....( not that it's ever likely to occur!!
) I know that if that happened in my Airline we would wait for new catering to arrive, they would never expect 8 premium pax to have nothing for 8 hours!!
Couldn't your crew buy something nice in the departure area to give the pax??
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I find it somewhat amusing that we put that much emphasis on just an email addy...
Dealing with any clients, let alone high value clients, its all about the little 'details'. If you couldn't be bothered with the little 'details' of your first contact job application then maybe you couldn't be bothered with the little 'details' that get that client to return again.
Last edited by Flying Binghi; 3rd Sep 2013 at 08:10.
'High value' clients as you say probably wouldn't even be making the contact directly, a PA for Eg I imagine would be doing that & am sure that the actual email addy isn't one of the 'little details' that's going to be an issue at first.
Bit like having the fanciest 'rubber plants' in an office foyer that guarantees nothing regarding service.
Wmk2
Bit like having the fanciest 'rubber plants' in an office foyer that guarantees nothing regarding service.
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In my younger days, there was a Pitts Special (?) in Canberra one day with the rego VH-XXX... What happened to it?
On the OZ register there is a "Triple everything" except T & X.
As for not saying anything three times in a row over the airwaves, ICAO annex 10 volume II Aeronautical Communications, says.
With the exception of the telephony designators and the type of aircraft, each character in the call sign shall be spoken
separately.
separately.
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Maybe abbreviated call signs are a good idea, in some instances.
About 30 odd years ago,at JT, we had a pilot named Peter McBride,who,had a huge "stutter" problem.We heard him go out one day in a V35 callsign Kilo-Kilo-Kilo.
Now anyone who has the same unfortunate affliction will vouch that "K" is one of the hardest words to get out.The ATC's tried to help out because they knew him,but the more they tried,the more frustrated poor ole Pete got.
By the time he got airborne & requested an airways clearance he was bloody nearer to Perth airport than he was to JT.I am asure "triple Kilo" would have been handy because he blocked the airwaves for minutes.
About 30 odd years ago,at JT, we had a pilot named Peter McBride,who,had a huge "stutter" problem.We heard him go out one day in a V35 callsign Kilo-Kilo-Kilo.
Now anyone who has the same unfortunate affliction will vouch that "K" is one of the hardest words to get out.The ATC's tried to help out because they knew him,but the more they tried,the more frustrated poor ole Pete got.
By the time he got airborne & requested an airways clearance he was bloody nearer to Perth airport than he was to JT.I am asure "triple Kilo" would have been handy because he blocked the airwaves for minutes.
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In certain circumstances, ATC can ask pilots to use a different call-sign, either temporarily, or for the duration of the flight.
I guess that gives a little scope if the call-sign is a mouthful !
In certain circumstances, ATC can ask pilots to use a different call-sign, either temporarily, or for the duration of the flight.
I guess that gives a little scope if the call-sign is a mouthful !
