Australian type rating preferred
As well as factoring in travel and accommodation and the exchange rate, plus any costs to have CASA process your application, you need to consider whether the USA training can include an Instrument Rating renewal.
Then, whether to take the risk of saving a few bucks and missing out against a candidate who did the type rating here to a known syllabus and presents with 12 months of instrument rating.
Having done type ratings under several jurisdictions I know that the training in the USA is every bit as good as it is here, but if you want the job you simply have to play the game according to the rules on the day.
Then, whether to take the risk of saving a few bucks and missing out against a candidate who did the type rating here to a known syllabus and presents with 12 months of instrument rating.
Having done type ratings under several jurisdictions I know that the training in the USA is every bit as good as it is here, but if you want the job you simply have to play the game according to the rules on the day.
Last edited by Mach E Avelli; 25th Aug 2013 at 06:22.
There is a significant difference in the content of a couple of A320 courses in the US and the Alteon product here in Oz. The US courses cover more than 43% of the Alteon course as you prices dictate could imply, but several significant omissions nonetheless.
I had heard on the grapevine that CASA are aware of his and were thinking of taking steps to put a stop to overseas cheap endorsements. It could be that they can't prevent it so are applying pressure through the operator.
I had heard on the grapevine that CASA are aware of his and were thinking of taking steps to put a stop to overseas cheap endorsements. It could be that they can't prevent it so are applying pressure through the operator.
Interesting - I completed one of those "cheap endorsements" during my Command course ..... at Alteon in the U.S. The training center was built by Boeing to support the airline I work for.
Alteon was a Boeing company. It is now called Boeing Training and Flight Services. Alteon no longer exists. The Alteon in Australia that you hold in such high regard, over those cheap U.S. Courses, is a U.S. company.
Last edited by JPJP; 25th Aug 2013 at 17:35.
If this is your first jet DO NOT try and save money with an abbreviated course, it will cost you big time. Pay for the long version so you can get through the base and line checks when you start.
Abbreviated courses are for experienced airliner pilots who know airline flying already and are just learning the aircraft.
Once you have a decent experience level on type an employer is usually far less concerned about where you did the training, as long as you perform in the SIM. But for zero hours on type joiners quality training is vital, the training department want to get people on the line as quickly and cheaply as possible, and not have to sort out deficiencies.
If something is much cheaper than the competition there is usually a reason.
Abbreviated courses are for experienced airliner pilots who know airline flying already and are just learning the aircraft.
Once you have a decent experience level on type an employer is usually far less concerned about where you did the training, as long as you perform in the SIM. But for zero hours on type joiners quality training is vital, the training department want to get people on the line as quickly and cheaply as possible, and not have to sort out deficiencies.
If something is much cheaper than the competition there is usually a reason.
Last edited by Metro man; 25th Aug 2013 at 17:55.
Where did the mindset originate that endorsements/type ratings conducted in Australia were more superior to those from overseas?
Last edited by JPJP; 25th Aug 2013 at 17:55.
I do think there is a different standard depending on where you do the endorsement. The guys/ girls that did endorsements in Miami at a certain TRTO didn't have the level of understanding that others had during their final training/checks in the sim. After 1000 hours on type it probably doesn't matter but it does show up early on. Cheap endorsement = cheap performance from my experience.
The Alteon in Australia that you hold in such high regard
If you reread my posts I was pointing out that some of the US courses omitted some of the more complex abnormals which were covered in the then Alteon course.
Abbreviated courses are for experienced airliner pilots who know airline flying already and are just learning the aircraft.
And who determines the difference between long and abbreviated courses - CASA? Does the two types of course only apply to the A320? Or do they also apply to other types like the 737 NG and 777 and 787?
Methinks candidates for type ratings need to closely scrutinise the thinking behind this curious state of affairs. Is this peculiar to Australia? Do the manufacturers (Boeing and Airbus) offer "abbreviated" courses and what criteria is used?
