WAAS for Australia – you heard it here first!
There are still people in Airservices who only ever think in sovereign control and proprietary rights....with a huge fee! SBAS will never happen under their watch. That is if no one takes the fight up.
We have to borrow the US argument on why they allowed GNSS into the public arena. It becomes an economic multiplier. It isn't just aviation!
In agriculture alone, crop improvements using data capture on accurate crop yield at micro levels allow fertiliser application to be precisely placed to the meter...huge savings in production costs. The alternative is DGPS at a considerable cost to each farm operation. The accuracy supplied from DGPS is a magnitude of a hundred to a thousand times too accurate for such an application.
We have to borrow the US argument on why they allowed GNSS into the public arena. It becomes an economic multiplier. It isn't just aviation!
In agriculture alone, crop improvements using data capture on accurate crop yield at micro levels allow fertiliser application to be precisely placed to the meter...huge savings in production costs. The alternative is DGPS at a considerable cost to each farm operation. The accuracy supplied from DGPS is a magnitude of a hundred to a thousand times too accurate for such an application.
GBAS (of which ASA is 50% owners of HW SmartPath)
There are still people in Airservices who only ever think in sovereign control and proprietary rights....with a huge fee! SBAS will never happen under their watch. That is if no one takes the fight up.
How much has ASA spent on developing HW SmartPath? It's my guess is they could have paid a sunstantial part of aviations share of an SBAS system and instead of just covering one or two airports with a GBAS system covered the whole country with SBAS.
The reasons we will never get SBAS, is as OZBUSDRIVER alluded to. As I said before, the argument for SBAS has been one and lost. You guys are ranting about how its a critical piece of aviation kit. Yes, I agree. But no one entity is going to fund a satellite program just for aviation. If this is to be funded by government (as has been in the US) then the entire country's transport sector has to be involved.
You need to get maritime, land, agriculture and aviation all on board.
Some say Airservices needs to fund it. Primarily, Airservices is funded by the major airlines. We don't get any public money from the Government. Why should Airservices then fund public infrastructure? If the major airlines don't want/need it, Airservices won't spend the money on it (not saying agree with it, but that's the way it is). You don't have the economy of scale in Aviation in Australia. This has to be a transport wide initiative.....and except the Aviation, the other parties are not making as much noise about it.
Welcome to user pays system. I didn't create it, I am not a big fan of it, but that is the way it is. If GA want SBAS, then GA will have to fund it. That is why you will never get it.
You need to get maritime, land, agriculture and aviation all on board.
Some say Airservices needs to fund it. Primarily, Airservices is funded by the major airlines. We don't get any public money from the Government. Why should Airservices then fund public infrastructure? If the major airlines don't want/need it, Airservices won't spend the money on it (not saying agree with it, but that's the way it is). You don't have the economy of scale in Aviation in Australia. This has to be a transport wide initiative.....and except the Aviation, the other parties are not making as much noise about it.
Welcome to user pays system. I didn't create it, I am not a big fan of it, but that is the way it is. If GA want SBAS, then GA will have to fund it. That is why you will never get it.
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I understand there are a few RNP AR MVD public procedures. Lets just say I know the ones at YMML very, very well.
(so I see you are with ASA, then you will likely know who I am)
I understand there are a few RNP AR MVD public procedures. Lets just say I know the ones at YMML very, very well.
(so I see you are with ASA, then you will likely know who I am)
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You said it Dick. However, there is an argument that the regionals would like to have it in their armoury. Especially as some seem to have trouble finding the runway.
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Australian SBAS project ?well and truly underway? | Australian Aviation
If this ends up with a unique radio kit being required it will be stillborn.
Shades of DME-A, and Microwave Landing System.
Only useful in most applications if it is a US adopted system, or if it can be received by WAAS capable equipment.
If this ends up with a unique radio kit being required it will be stillborn.
Shades of DME-A, and Microwave Landing System.
Only useful in most applications if it is a US adopted system, or if it can be received by WAAS capable equipment.
what rtj said!
Someone tell this idiot he is dreaming. It matters not how technically awesome the system is. If it is not adopted by the USA it is not going to be "rolled out around the globe". Unfortunately also for the idiot, America has a long history of "not invented here" as well. That means that even if there is a technical breakthrough that catches Americas interest, they will either steal or adapt the technology and tweak it in ways that render the Australian investment worthless. As for fitting any such equipment to Australian aircraft this century, don't make me laugh.
The only consumer level good (ie., non government defence) that broke this rule is the CSIRO wifi patent and even that took ten years to generate a return to Australia.
Just adopt WAAS and be done with it.
In its mature form the system would comprise “probably two or three” purpose-built ground stations across Australia, and a master control station. The Australian-developed SBAS promises not only greater accuracy than existing SBAS applications – the US Wide Area Augmentation System (or WAAS) typically provides better than one metre accuracy – but is a technology that could be easily implemented worldwide.
“Things all working well, the program in two years goes to maturity and rolls out to production, then we would seek to take what’s currently a regional capability and roll that out around the globe,” Drury said.
Different business models for using the SBAS are still being studied, Drury said.
“Things all working well, the program in two years goes to maturity and rolls out to production, then we would seek to take what’s currently a regional capability and roll that out around the globe,” Drury said.
Different business models for using the SBAS are still being studied, Drury said.
The only consumer level good (ie., non government defence) that broke this rule is the CSIRO wifi patent and even that took ten years to generate a return to Australia.
Just adopt WAAS and be done with it.
Sunfish are you aware of these products?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairlight_CMI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_recorder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_banknote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Clark_(doctor)
Tomorrow's World, the Australian Initiative - Early Innovations in Transport
Whilst I am not a fan of Wikipedia you get the idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairlight_CMI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_recorder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_banknote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Clark_(doctor)
Tomorrow's World, the Australian Initiative - Early Innovations in Transport
Whilst I am not a fan of Wikipedia you get the idea.
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Those Australian inventions basically filled a void, rarely- if ever- did they replace something commonly used overseas. Except the banknote,I'll pay that. Fantastic idea btw. Necessity being the mother of invention - waterproof money that you can keep in your boardies whilst swimming, enabling you to buy the meat pie at lunchtime so you don't starve, brilliant. I digress....
Certification-typically requires AFM statements that the fit complies with the relevant TSO, so upgrade may be required. Re-certification of old kit would most likely cost more. Just because a glide path appears on the EFIS doesn't mean the system is suitable for Baro-VNAV. Some continuing airworthiness requirements to cover, and suitability/control of nav database needs to be shown. Information in CAO 20.91
Certification-typically requires AFM statements that the fit complies with the relevant TSO, so upgrade may be required. Re-certification of old kit would most likely cost more. Just because a glide path appears on the EFIS doesn't mean the system is suitable for Baro-VNAV. Some continuing airworthiness requirements to cover, and suitability/control of nav database needs to be shown. Information in CAO 20.91
From the Lockheed Martin site-
...my bolding.
Smells like a special receiver to access the augmentation signal
By augmenting signals from multiple GNSS constellations – both Galileo and GPS – second-generation SBAS is not dependent on just one GNSS. It will also use signals on two frequencies – the L1 and L5 GPS signals, and their companion E1 and E5a Galileo signals – to provide integrity data and enhanced accuracy for industries that need it the most.
Smells like a special receiver to access the augmentation signal
