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Indian Student want pilot training in abroad.
Hi,
I am Indian resident and i have a passion to become a pilot from childhood. My qualification is BSc. Computing with Software engineering from UK. At present my age is 28 and i weight 97kg. But i am working hard to reduce weight.
Don't have any flying experience. Hence i need to start from scratch.
In India pilot training school are not good, it is very expensive, some school are tired up with foreign pilot training school, fees are too high, duration of courses are long which incur more tuition fees, main reason all old model flight. Whereas if i complete the training in foreign then i can save years.
q1] What is the maximum age to become a pilot?
q2] Don't want to work for Indian airlines? Therefore planning to take course in abroad? Hence please let me know which school is best for it, which provides more flying hrs and fees are less? i need flight experience in both day and night?
q3] After completion of pilot training, how easy it is to get a job as an international student? i don't want to convert into DGCA licence. i just want to settle in abroad after finishing my training and get a job over there.
q4] Which country is much expensive?
Bye
I am Indian resident and i have a passion to become a pilot from childhood. My qualification is BSc. Computing with Software engineering from UK. At present my age is 28 and i weight 97kg. But i am working hard to reduce weight.
Don't have any flying experience. Hence i need to start from scratch.
In India pilot training school are not good, it is very expensive, some school are tired up with foreign pilot training school, fees are too high, duration of courses are long which incur more tuition fees, main reason all old model flight. Whereas if i complete the training in foreign then i can save years.
q1] What is the maximum age to become a pilot?
q2] Don't want to work for Indian airlines? Therefore planning to take course in abroad? Hence please let me know which school is best for it, which provides more flying hrs and fees are less? i need flight experience in both day and night?
q3] After completion of pilot training, how easy it is to get a job as an international student? i don't want to convert into DGCA licence. i just want to settle in abroad after finishing my training and get a job over there.
q4] Which country is much expensive?
Bye
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Frankly speaking I am yet to come across an English born who haven't had trouble spelling words and if u happen to know , we don't speak English here , we speak Australian 
Jokes aside, if you are from India and wants to pursue your passion into aviation then take my advise and stay the fcuk out of the land down under.
You will have more choices landing a job in India or Asia than to any westen country right now unless you are born with good fortune( I meant dollars here)
Before you venture into your passion, aviation is a long hard road and you would often find numb nuts like the above who has nothing else to share but bunch of bollocks and of course they are good at it it's part of their grammar here .
All the best.For future reference , seek professional help from your friends who are already in aviation and whom you can trust
Cheers
Jokes aside, if you are from India and wants to pursue your passion into aviation then take my advise and stay the fcuk out of the land down under.
You will have more choices landing a job in India or Asia than to any westen country right now unless you are born with good fortune( I meant dollars here)
Before you venture into your passion, aviation is a long hard road and you would often find numb nuts like the above who has nothing else to share but bunch of bollocks and of course they are good at it it's part of their grammar here .
All the best.For future reference , seek professional help from your friends who are already in aviation and whom you can trust
Cheers
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..........ya gotta luv the Aussie attitude, straight to the point in any language!
With the internet being the medium of choice as far as communications go world wide you would think that we had an 8 gauge shot gun attached to our keyboard ready to take out anyone who isn't an Aussie & can spell like one!
We live in such a small world.
Advice to the poster, seek info directly from flying schools within Australia as help from here is unlikely to be accurate & unbiased.
Wmk2
With the internet being the medium of choice as far as communications go world wide you would think that we had an 8 gauge shot gun attached to our keyboard ready to take out anyone who isn't an Aussie & can spell like one!
We live in such a small world.
Advice to the poster, seek info directly from flying schools within Australia as help from here is unlikely to be accurate & unbiased.
Wmk2
Where you can be employed depends on where you are eligible for a working visa or can emigrate, if not already a citizen. Once you have that worked out then you need to work out what would be the necessary pilot licence for that/those countries and, if a foreign licence is acceptable (for use as is, or by some conversion process), what foreign licences are accepted.
Until then your question can't be answered properly.
Until then your question can't be answered properly.
I will try to answer your questions as posed:
1. There is no maximum age to become a pilot. 80 year olds have qualified to be Private Pilots. But over 40 to 45 with a fresh Commercial Licence and no on- the-job experience, I doubt anyone would employ you. Simply because there are plenty of 20 year olds available at that level.
2. You do need some night flying - each country will have its own syllabus. Search via the various licencing websites eg: www.casa.gov.au for Australia.
3. You won't find it easy to get a pilot job in Australia as an international student. You would be competing against our own young people looking for the same job, and as a former employer of pilots I can tell you that yes, we do favour our own. We are not being racist. I suspect it is the same everywhere else in the world.
4. I will answer this question in reverse. The cheapest place to learn to fly is most probably the USA. Get quotes, but ensure that they will handle the student visa requirements, because the Americans have become quite sensitive about people who want to learn take-offs but not landings.
1. There is no maximum age to become a pilot. 80 year olds have qualified to be Private Pilots. But over 40 to 45 with a fresh Commercial Licence and no on- the-job experience, I doubt anyone would employ you. Simply because there are plenty of 20 year olds available at that level.
2. You do need some night flying - each country will have its own syllabus. Search via the various licencing websites eg: www.casa.gov.au for Australia.
3. You won't find it easy to get a pilot job in Australia as an international student. You would be competing against our own young people looking for the same job, and as a former employer of pilots I can tell you that yes, we do favour our own. We are not being racist. I suspect it is the same everywhere else in the world.
4. I will answer this question in reverse. The cheapest place to learn to fly is most probably the USA. Get quotes, but ensure that they will handle the student visa requirements, because the Americans have become quite sensitive about people who want to learn take-offs but not landings.
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A few things that come into mind that I've seen of late.
Considerations to Airmanship and Discipline.
Airmanship can be learned from others and gained by experience. Airmanship is a broad term used to define a series of positive behaviours/abilities and of an awareness of the environment that we operate in.
To summarise: Use your head and don't be selfish.
Basic rookie errors:
Propwash - Have a think about where you're pointing the tail of your aircraft and how much power you're using. You wont make many friends with engineers if you go blasting dust through their hanger or blowing over cowling etc, while they have the aircraft apart. Your mates wont be happy when you blow their doors shut on them while they're trying to load freight etc.
Doors/Windows - Keep these shut while you aren't using them. Here is one for you to picture: Your hamfisted new work college, just checked to line on a C210, does a 180 tail to tail with you at 1700RPM while you're loading a person who has a stiff leg into the aircraft and not guarding the door. The door swings open, catches the prop wash and subsequently breaks of at the hinges. Embarrassment, a loss of an aircraft door and a please explain from the boss are going to be the consequences of the day. Personally I've seen the result of a 210 who's doors were left open overnight, have a Conquest start behind it and tear the doors clean off at the hinges on two separate occasions.
Be especially cautious of low winged aircraft and open storm windows in the wet. Moldy carpets and wet bums aren't much fun.
Parking: A daily struggle due to the lack of room, complicates parking. I see plenty of rookies parking directly behind aircraft to get 20m closer to the gate and blocking that aircraft in the designated parking area for the duration of their wait.
Aircraft Washing: Fairly straight forward. Nothing looks better than clean tyre rims and oleo struts. Avoid water etc around the static ports and pitot tubes.
Final walk arounds: Once your aircraft is loaded, take 30 seconds to do a quick lap of the aircraft. Make sure oil caps/doors are secure, baggage lockers are shut and locked, fuel caps are on, chocks are out, pitot cover is off and that dreaded passenger seatbelt is not hanging out the door. All these are easily missed and consequences vary from embarrassing yourself to potentially an off field landing.
If it's any advice that you take from this post, I would suggest that it's the "final walk arounds" as I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of us have been caught by at least one of these.
Fly safe out there.
Considerations to Airmanship and Discipline.
Airmanship can be learned from others and gained by experience. Airmanship is a broad term used to define a series of positive behaviours/abilities and of an awareness of the environment that we operate in.
To summarise: Use your head and don't be selfish.
Basic rookie errors:
Propwash - Have a think about where you're pointing the tail of your aircraft and how much power you're using. You wont make many friends with engineers if you go blasting dust through their hanger or blowing over cowling etc, while they have the aircraft apart. Your mates wont be happy when you blow their doors shut on them while they're trying to load freight etc.
Doors/Windows - Keep these shut while you aren't using them. Here is one for you to picture: Your hamfisted new work college, just checked to line on a C210, does a 180 tail to tail with you at 1700RPM while you're loading a person who has a stiff leg into the aircraft and not guarding the door. The door swings open, catches the prop wash and subsequently breaks of at the hinges. Embarrassment, a loss of an aircraft door and a please explain from the boss are going to be the consequences of the day. Personally I've seen the result of a 210 who's doors were left open overnight, have a Conquest start behind it and tear the doors clean off at the hinges on two separate occasions.
Be especially cautious of low winged aircraft and open storm windows in the wet. Moldy carpets and wet bums aren't much fun.
Parking: A daily struggle due to the lack of room, complicates parking. I see plenty of rookies parking directly behind aircraft to get 20m closer to the gate and blocking that aircraft in the designated parking area for the duration of their wait.
Aircraft Washing: Fairly straight forward. Nothing looks better than clean tyre rims and oleo struts. Avoid water etc around the static ports and pitot tubes.
Final walk arounds: Once your aircraft is loaded, take 30 seconds to do a quick lap of the aircraft. Make sure oil caps/doors are secure, baggage lockers are shut and locked, fuel caps are on, chocks are out, pitot cover is off and that dreaded passenger seatbelt is not hanging out the door. All these are easily missed and consequences vary from embarrassing yourself to potentially an off field landing.
If it's any advice that you take from this post, I would suggest that it's the "final walk arounds" as I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of us have been caught by at least one of these.
Fly safe out there.
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If it's any advice that you take from this post, I would suggest that it's the "final walk arounds" as I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of us have been caught by at least one of these.
Definitely, highly recommended. Many a clipboard/mobile phone have been saved by these
Ummm, isn't a final walk-around the normal thing to do? It's up here as something extra or special.
Edit: OK I'll value-add. My $0.02
- Be willing to say no to unsafe tasking.
- Write up any unserviceabilities. Don't accept a crap aircraft.
Edit: OK I'll value-add. My $0.02
- Be willing to say no to unsafe tasking.
- Write up any unserviceabilities. Don't accept a crap aircraft.
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Some great advice here
I want get back into flying and to aim for CPL level after I've finished myqualification (I'm currently an A.M.E. yr 4 avionics apprentice)
Would prospective employers see this qualification as much of an advantagewhen looking for my 1st flying gig?
Also, I have three young kids and will find traveling to the top end impossible.Is there any chance at all of finding a job in a more regional east coastcentre? (I'm in Cairns) or is that just un-heard of and wishful thinking?
Cheers
I know of people who have gotten into 'desirable' GA companies as LAMEs then after a year or two moved across to flying but it's not guaranteed and all have started at the bottom of the pilot ladder. Like anything in GA, work hard and don't expect favourable treatment and you will make the opportunities happen.
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Technically im still a rookie, (350tt) but i got a couple
- photos on CVs with 4 bars and aviators will get your CV trashed. (that goes for interviews as well) AIRNZ say hire for attitude, train for excellence if that gives you an idea
- do not submit your CV to a company if you are not even close to the required hours, if you want to work for them in a few years and they remember the guy who submitted 500cvs over 6 months while hour building for his PPL
-if you get a reputation as "that guy" who doesnt follow rules or is unsafe, you will damage your chances later (especially if you want a job on a "who you know" basis)
-and lastly, dont post rubbish online, that goes for anything that has your real name attached, IE LinkedIN/Facebook/google+, and inclues posts, photos, and videos. employes may will check the main sites. bear it in mind
good luck
- photos on CVs with 4 bars and aviators will get your CV trashed. (that goes for interviews as well) AIRNZ say hire for attitude, train for excellence if that gives you an idea
- do not submit your CV to a company if you are not even close to the required hours, if you want to work for them in a few years and they remember the guy who submitted 500cvs over 6 months while hour building for his PPL
-if you get a reputation as "that guy" who doesnt follow rules or is unsafe, you will damage your chances later (especially if you want a job on a "who you know" basis)
-and lastly, dont post rubbish online, that goes for anything that has your real name attached, IE LinkedIN/Facebook/google+, and inclues posts, photos, and videos. employes may will check the main sites. bear it in mind
good luck
