Richard Champion de Crespigny - QF32 book
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I know I am getting off the track a bit but as Sully has been bought into the equation, has anyone ever observed an interim ATSB report on the Hudson River Ditching?
I too, believe that once the decision to turn a land plane into a sea plane the crew, and especially Sully pulled off a brilliant landing and fully deserve the title of hero.
But I have always had a nagging feeling about all of the proceedings that took place prior to finding themselves 500 ft above the Hudson and not many options left?
It is the time from when engines choked up with a large amount birdlife and what took place in the following minutes that has me perplexed.
I maybe totally wrong but if a decision to do a 180 or fly straight ahead to another airfield instead of flying away from both and spend valuable minutes trying a restart engines that was never going to restart.
The crew was well aware they had ingested birds and from my training, if the birds stopped the turbines they were never going to restart.
I am sure I will castigated for casting doubts about a hero, but?
I too, believe that once the decision to turn a land plane into a sea plane the crew, and especially Sully pulled off a brilliant landing and fully deserve the title of hero.
But I have always had a nagging feeling about all of the proceedings that took place prior to finding themselves 500 ft above the Hudson and not many options left?
It is the time from when engines choked up with a large amount birdlife and what took place in the following minutes that has me perplexed.
I maybe totally wrong but if a decision to do a 180 or fly straight ahead to another airfield instead of flying away from both and spend valuable minutes trying a restart engines that was never going to restart.
The crew was well aware they had ingested birds and from my training, if the birds stopped the turbines they were never going to restart.
I am sure I will castigated for casting doubts about a hero, but?
I can't for one minute imagine what it would have been like in that cockpit with Sully & his Coey dealing with an extreme very short term difficult situation & I fly the bus! They had what 2-3 mins at best b4 impact somewhere whether it be on land or water. They where damned lucky they had an open area in which to put the machine down & lucky again that it was winter with little river traffic about.
Dealing with a dieing plane under his ass, ATC whom obviously are trying to help but wanna know what he's gunna do, trying to keep the crew/pax in the loop as well as assist the F/O whom I might add had very few hrs on type but still kept his cool & all the time thinking about his family, ANY normal human would bring them into the mix here (as this could be the end) as he is a human not a machine.
Going thru the QRH in a thorough manor & getting the best result from same wasn't gunna happen due the short time farme avail b4 impact so I'd say Sully did a damned good job & used his many years of raw experience to handle the situation the best he could. We practice these sought of failures often in the comfort of a nice (stoppable at any time & survive) Sim full knowing that we had just briefed what we where gunna do b4hand & then handle the failure as per the book. No 'ad-lib' or interpretation of the rules in the Sim or yr chastised by the checky so it's all nice & cruzy...........stuff the rules in this case I say that's why the Capt is a Capt he makes decisions based on what he has at the time, the latter very little of!
As for the other Capt of the other event here........well no comparison but an interesting read with lots of 'Hollywood' content.
Wmk2
Dealing with a dieing plane under his ass, ATC whom obviously are trying to help but wanna know what he's gunna do, trying to keep the crew/pax in the loop as well as assist the F/O whom I might add had very few hrs on type but still kept his cool & all the time thinking about his family, ANY normal human would bring them into the mix here (as this could be the end) as he is a human not a machine.
Going thru the QRH in a thorough manor & getting the best result from same wasn't gunna happen due the short time farme avail b4 impact so I'd say Sully did a damned good job & used his many years of raw experience to handle the situation the best he could. We practice these sought of failures often in the comfort of a nice (stoppable at any time & survive) Sim full knowing that we had just briefed what we where gunna do b4hand & then handle the failure as per the book. No 'ad-lib' or interpretation of the rules in the Sim or yr chastised by the checky so it's all nice & cruzy...........stuff the rules in this case I say that's why the Capt is a Capt he makes decisions based on what he has at the time, the latter very little of!
As for the other Capt of the other event here........well no comparison but an interesting read with lots of 'Hollywood' content.
Wmk2
Last edited by Wally Mk2; 9th Oct 2013 at 06:17.
Well before Sully and just as heroic was this event- TACA 110. Well worth looking at the National Geographic Air Crash investigation episode on it. Here is a snippet from the news coverage at the time of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPn8G7enbF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPn8G7enbF4
Last edited by Capn Rex Havoc; 9th Oct 2013 at 06:36.
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Are you gents talking about the same Richard De Crespigny that purportedly lives somewhere around Kiribili and was one of the lead complainants against the heliport for Sydney Harbour?
Just wanting to connect some dots...
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There was also another case of a double engine flameout involving a Garuda 737-300 flying in thunderstorm conditions. After the flameout and breaking through the cloud base at 8000, the crew spotted the Solo river and ditched the aircraft there. Everyone survived except one flight attendant who died during the evacuation (some say she slipped, feel and drowned in the river). Another case of a successful ditching but not as highly publicized as Sully's.
A propos flying 'Hero Class', on one of the air crash docos series on TV not long ago there featured a Canadian A330 en route Toronto - Lisbon. Due to fuel loss caused by chaffing and then fracture of lines they first lost one and then the other.
Prior to this, the captain spent a long time in disbelief before the reality was brought home to him.
He put the big glider down on a military field in the Azores after a well judged approach. Nobody got a scratch. One passenger, speaking for the doco, said words to this effect -
"Do I think Pierre Lamont is a brilliant pilot? . . . YES!"
"Do I think he is a hero? . . .. . NO!"
Prior to this, the captain spent a long time in disbelief before the reality was brought home to him.
He put the big glider down on a military field in the Azores after a well judged approach. Nobody got a scratch. One passenger, speaking for the doco, said words to this effect -
"Do I think Pierre Lamont is a brilliant pilot? . . . YES!"
"Do I think he is a hero? . . .. . NO!"
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Never met the 'local hero' but, he lost me when his wife got on the media and said something like " nobody knows more about that aeroplane than him".
When ever a pilots wife becomes an instant industry expert on the basis of being married to a pilot , you know that the BS has been flying long and hard back at the ranch.
The old boy probably has epaulettes sewn on to his pyjamas and wears his cap to bed so that they know who the captain is.
However, a wife should know if he is an a-hole or not.
Over to the aviation expert for comment
When ever a pilots wife becomes an instant industry expert on the basis of being married to a pilot , you know that the BS has been flying long and hard back at the ranch.
The old boy probably has epaulettes sewn on to his pyjamas and wears his cap to bed so that they know who the captain is.
However, a wife should know if he is an a-hole or not.
Over to the aviation expert for comment
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IT, it's just my opinion but I don't think there is anything wrong with a wife (or vice versa) being supportive of her husband. In modern times good, solid, lifelong better halves are few and far between in the aviation industry. There should be more of them. If they're being harassed by the media and along with everything else just happen to say something nice about the Capt in the spotlight, so be it.
What the media needs to do after the next incident is to grab some quotes from a few ex wives. Now that maybe entertaining
What the media needs to do after the next incident is to grab some quotes from a few ex wives. Now that maybe entertaining
