CAO 100.5 Amendment 13
And what are the various bodies which purport to represent the interests of GA aircraft owners and pilots doing about these kinds of issues, other than looking like rabbits in spotlights? 
I have a close friend who is a paid up member of a number of aviation representative bodies in Australia. Not a single email or call for united action in response to these profoundly important issues.
I have a close friend who is a paid up member of a number of aviation representative bodies in Australia. Not a single email or call for united action in response to these profoundly important issues.
Another CASA Fluster Cluck:
CAO 100.5 - 2013 has been repealed/ceased as of 2 August.
Civil Aviation Order 100.5 Amendment Instrument 2013 (No. 1)
What hope have we got...
CAO 100.5 - 2013 has been repealed/ceased as of 2 August.
Civil Aviation Order 100.5 Amendment Instrument 2013 (No. 1)
What hope have we got...
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The No. 2 version is still not posted, and still leaves the possibility of a large number of aircraft being grounded before next flight. When casa is contacted for clarification on the new document over a few different issues, the only reply is "We are awaiting a reply from our standards department"
Once again, casa has changed the rules, but still has no idea on what the rules are... Makes me wonder why we bother trying to do the right things sometimes..
Once again, casa has changed the rules, but still has no idea on what the rules are... Makes me wonder why we bother trying to do the right things sometimes..
Every time I look at this thread my eyes glaze over and I get a terrible thirst. Hard enough keeping up with flying stuff, no time to try to interpret this.
Can anyone tell me: If I am flying an aeroplane with a calendar expired engine that is running on an extension can I still fly it?
If the same aircraft has a calendar expired engine that is perfectly good at the next annual will an extension be possible?
Can anyone tell me: If I am flying an aeroplane with a calendar expired engine that is running on an extension can I still fly it?
If the same aircraft has a calendar expired engine that is perfectly good at the next annual will an extension be possible?
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Aussie Bob, doesn't affect other ADs.
Read more here Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Briefing: amended Civil Aviation Order 100.5
Read more here Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Briefing: amended Civil Aviation Order 100.5
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Yes, does affect common ADs.
AD/RAD/43 cancelled
AD/INST/8 cancelled
AD/INST/9 cancelled
CAO 108.56 repealed (cancelled)
CAO 100.5 combines all that stuff into the one thing and attempts to have every aviator flying with instruments tuned to the same specs. Except various recreational aircraft which must follow their own tech manual requirements, which in some cases, through no fault of their own, are different to the CAO!
AD/RAD/43 cancelled
AD/INST/8 cancelled
AD/INST/9 cancelled
CAO 108.56 repealed (cancelled)
CAO 100.5 combines all that stuff into the one thing and attempts to have every aviator flying with instruments tuned to the same specs. Except various recreational aircraft which must follow their own tech manual requirements, which in some cases, through no fault of their own, are different to the CAO!
Thanks Owen, but still none the wiser as to my questions ...
Can anyone tell me: If I am flying an aeroplane with a calendar expired engine that is running on an extension can I still fly it?
If the same aircraft has a calendar expired engine that is perfectly good at the next annual will an extension be possible?
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Hi Aussie-Bob
We have asked CASA these questions, only to get an answer back of 'Awaiting a reply from standards" on this, and lots of other questions. If you read the amendments, it can even make casa's own maintenance system invalid. (Sched5)
Its been two days now, and still no reply from casa, they can't tell us if we are violating the regulations by signing out aircraft that are affected so who knows what's going on....
Oh, and if you haven't had your pitot/static system checked in the last two years (Have been previously using the 3yr requirements), according to casa your grounded. Although they don't seem keen to pass that onto the aircraft owners...
Thanks Owen, but still none the wiser as to my questions ...
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Can anyone tell me: If I am flying an aeroplane with a calendar expired engine that is running on an extension can I still fly it?
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If the same aircraft has a calendar expired engine that is perfectly good at the next annual will an extension be possible?
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Can anyone tell me: If I am flying an aeroplane with a calendar expired engine that is running on an extension can I still fly it?
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If the same aircraft has a calendar expired engine that is perfectly good at the next annual will an extension be possible?
Its been two days now, and still no reply from casa, they can't tell us if we are violating the regulations by signing out aircraft that are affected so who knows what's going on....
Oh, and if you haven't had your pitot/static system checked in the last two years (Have been previously using the 3yr requirements), according to casa your grounded. Although they don't seem keen to pass that onto the aircraft owners...
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I know of people who have been caught in the 3yr Pitot Static checks, they are just outside 2 years but caught out by the 3 years.
Grounded..... too bad if you now cant fly it to somewhere to get it done under a say, 90 day amnesty or something. no dont event suggest getting a ferry permit
Grounded..... too bad if you now cant fly it to somewhere to get it done under a say, 90 day amnesty or something. no dont event suggest getting a ferry permit
Creampuff:
You are a fool or you are being sarcastic and I missed it?
All the various "bodies" have been put on notice that their continuiing relationship with CASA is predicated on them not publicly criticisng CASA over anything.
Furthermore, at least one "body" has advised its members to likewise refrain from any criticism.
This is the entire trouble with the classification of Aviation as a "priviledge" which can by definition be withdrawn at any time for no particular reason.
To put that another way, publicly criticisng CASA and wishing to continue aviating are mutually exclusive options.
And what are the various bodies which purport to represent the interests of GA aircraft owners and pilots doing about these kinds of issues, other than looking like rabbits in spotlights?
I have a close friend who is a paid up member of a number of aviation representative bodies in Australia. Not a single email or call for united action in response to these profoundly important issues.
I have a close friend who is a paid up member of a number of aviation representative bodies in Australia. Not a single email or call for united action in response to these profoundly important issues.
All the various "bodies" have been put on notice that their continuiing relationship with CASA is predicated on them not publicly criticisng CASA over anything.
Furthermore, at least one "body" has advised its members to likewise refrain from any criticism.
This is the entire trouble with the classification of Aviation as a "priviledge" which can by definition be withdrawn at any time for no particular reason.
To put that another way, publicly criticisng CASA and wishing to continue aviating are mutually exclusive options.
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I can assure you a great number of the significant and the tiny orgs are at present finally banding together, sharing and uniting with strong support from all participants.
This will take a little while for the effects to be seen, but progress is being made in that area.
Turning back the tide will take a while though.
For a tiny bit f evidence I was reading in the RAAus mag yesterday and they have one article written in there that touches on the subject. As one of the instigators having played a minor role, it brought a smile to jaba's face.
Time will tell.
This will take a little while for the effects to be seen, but progress is being made in that area.
Turning back the tide will take a while though.
For a tiny bit f evidence I was reading in the RAAus mag yesterday and they have one article written in there that touches on the subject. As one of the instigators having played a minor role, it brought a smile to jaba's face.
Time will tell.
I wasn’t being sarcastic, Sunfish. Therefore I must be a fool.
What worries me most is not that the various bodies which purport to represent the interests of GA aircraft owners and pilots may be unwilling to publicly criticise and challenge CASA. Rather, it’s that I doubt whether many of them have the expertise to know when CASA’s done something that deserves public criticism and challenge, or how to do it properly.
CASA is disintegrating, operationally. Sure: there will still be a bunch of people getting paid to produce glossy annual reports and front parliamentary committees etc. But the level of operational disfunctionality is obviously increasing.
It would be better if the GA ‘industry’ had a united and coherent solution to present to government to ensure the operational disintegration of CASA does as little damage as possible in the real world.
What worries me most is not that the various bodies which purport to represent the interests of GA aircraft owners and pilots may be unwilling to publicly criticise and challenge CASA. Rather, it’s that I doubt whether many of them have the expertise to know when CASA’s done something that deserves public criticism and challenge, or how to do it properly.
CASA is disintegrating, operationally. Sure: there will still be a bunch of people getting paid to produce glossy annual reports and front parliamentary committees etc. But the level of operational disfunctionality is obviously increasing.
It would be better if the GA ‘industry’ had a united and coherent solution to present to government to ensure the operational disintegration of CASA does as little damage as possible in the real world.
Ahhh Sunny, you depress me with your inconvenient truth. Makes me think back to the early 90's when Dick and Boyd took over AOPA for a short time. I joined in support. Sadly it was indeed short lived.
AOPA has long gone back to the fawning and grovelling, in the pocket of CASA, organisation that ununited pilots deserve. It is also unfortunate that pilots will never unite for long enough to make change due to their vastly differing opinions and circumstances.
AOPA has long gone back to the fawning and grovelling, in the pocket of CASA, organisation that ununited pilots deserve. It is also unfortunate that pilots will never unite for long enough to make change due to their vastly differing opinions and circumstances.
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Aussie Bob
From my area office:
No change to schedule five.
You may want to look at your engine overhauls, commercial ops that is although no one can say if and/or when may happen.
please supply evidence of this, or is this part of your group's circle jerk
From my area office:
No change to schedule five.
You may want to look at your engine overhauls, commercial ops that is although no one can say if and/or when may happen.
All the various "bodies" have been put on notice that their continuiing relationship with CASA is predicated on them not publicly criticisng CASA over anything.
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