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Old 6th Jun 2013, 00:13
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Cameras mounted externally

How easy is it to get approval from CASA to have externally mounted cameras such as in this video?



I'm inspired by this TAA tail camera ad back in the 80's to do the same if it's easy enough to do with a GoPro Hero camera.

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Don't need CA$A, just get an engineering order from a qualified engineer.
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Judging by the number of Gopro cameras I see flying about the place on external mounts an engineering order must be easy ...

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Speed tape......
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You need an engineering order?!?!?
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If its an experimental aircraft, just make sure the cameras are mounted when you receive your C. of A., otherwise anyone who fits anything without an EO or STC is making an unauthorised modification to an aircraft which is a felony offence of strict liability.
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I will have to find the video, but there was a video of a pilot who mounted his go pro to the nose landing gear of a 744 freighter. It's amazing how strong the suction cap is.
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Sunny, the beauty of speed tape: "Officer, what are you saying we fitted, and when, where, how do you say? Why would we even think of doing such a naughty thing?"
In Canada they strap boats, barn doors, dead bears and all else to Beaver floats and just crank in a bit of opposite rudder as necessary. EOs, yeah, sure.
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Just mute the video and enjoy!
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Canada? Not sure myself but I had heard the same about Alaska. An issue (perhaps still, not sure) for the FAA was that other govt departments operated airplanes and claimed that the regs did not apply to them.

You need an engineering order?!?!?
An issue with the way that minor and major changes are dealt with by CASA. If it is minor then an EO is required. Incidentally, any, repeat any change is either major or minor so what I might describe as a trivial change has to be dealt with as a minor change therefore needs an EO. In the USA minor changes are dealt with much easier.

Worth reading the relevant bit of that new CAAP on EFBs:
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All EFB mounts attached to the aircraft structure will require airworthiness approval (Subpart 21.M of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations 1998). An unsafe condition must not be created when attaching any EFB control yoke attachment/mechanism or mounting device. For example, the weight of the EFB and mounting bracket combination may affect flight control system
dynamics, even though the mount alone may be considered light.
"All" means all" - temporary or permanent.

Some more relevant reading is the new AWB 25-023 on the use of Velcro to mount ELTs.
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that 747 nose gear vid is a rip off, the original is from a guy named Balleka on youtube, he is/was a B747F capt, and made quite a few very god videos. lots of gliding footage as well.
original is here, with acceptable soundtrack also.



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even this is cool, overtaking an MD11.



he made a making of video for the first vid, belly of the beast. but sadly it looks like he removed it, basically a camera, a contour, was taped on the nose gear leg, and he asked the ground engineer to start the camera on pushback for him.
Im pretty sure a gopro suction cup would not hold on above about 8000ft, something about the vacuum under the suction cap equalising with the outside air pressure. highest mine has held on for is 7500ft.
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in the video at post between 0:52 and 1:08 there is a sequence where the nose gear is lowered without the body or wing mains cycling.
Pulling circuit breakers perhaps or can you select nose gear only?

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Originally Posted by Ultralights
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My all time fave - just great editing by Balleka. And reminds us all of the Flight Engineer.

As for the Lufty MD-11 - I give you Chemtrails, and I rests me case M'Lud.
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in the video at post between 0:52 and 1:08 there is a sequence where the nose gear is lowered without the body or wing mains cycling.
Pulling circuit breakers perhaps or can you select nose gear only?
Alternate gear extension system, just flick the switch for nose gear only. and as balleka said, fly over some cool shti, later lower the gear as normal, then reset the alt gear switch. ops normal.
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anyone who fits anything without an EO or STC is making an unauthorised modification to an aircraft which is a felony offence of strict liability."
Haven't looked it up to find the relevant penalty but suggest it more accurate to speak of an indictable offence:Crimes Act 1900, s580E.

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I wonder if the plane used for CASA's Out'n'Back videos has got an EO for its cameras?
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Hi fvpdude
In Australia an Engineering Order is raised in consultation with what used to be a CAR35 Approved organisation,now is covered in CASR Part 21M.

They are the equivalent of the Transport Canada LSTC. (Limited Supplementry Type Certificate). It limits the modification to particular aircraft serial numbers rather than being approved for a type.
There is a listing of approved organisations on CASA web site.

It is common practice on light aircraft and helicopters that I have been involved with, and doesn't alter the C of A Type category.

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We got one for our aircraft, fairly straight forward about $650 for the EO itself from memory, just find an aerospace engineering company near you!
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Here you go, AF have done the hard yards for you already.

CASA Confirms External Camera Ruling
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Thanks for that triple X. It won't be as easy as I first thought ...
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