Instrument Rating Renewal issues

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

CAO 40.2.3
6.2 The holder of a grade of the PIFR rating must not fly an aircraft under the I.F.R. unless:
(a) within the period of 2 years immediately before the day of the proposed flight, the holder has completed:
(i) a flight test under subsection 7, or a flight review under subsection 8, relevant to the grade; or
(ii) a flight test for the issue or renewal of a command grade of the instrument rating; and
(b) the holder has sufficient recent experience to undertake the flight safely.
Note: Guidance on recent experience is contained in CAAP 5.13-1 “Private IFR rating”.

And a flight review as per CAR 5.81 or 5.108 being;

(5) A pilot who, within the period of 2 years immediately before the day of the proposed flight, has: (a) passed a flight test conducted for the purpose of: (i) the issue of an aeroplane pilot licence; or (ii) the issue, or renewal, of an aeroplane pilot rating; or (b) satisfactorily completed an aeroplane proficiency check; or (c) satisfactorily completed aeroplane conversion training given by the holder of a grade of flight instructor (aeroplane) rating that authorises him or her to conduct aeroplane flight reviews; is taken to have satisfactorily completed an aeroplane flight review.

Then yes, the CIR renewal would satisfy the PIFR requirement. The ME component of a PIFR is just another FPA. To put it in perspective, all you need to do to upgrade a CIR(SE) to (ME) is fly one approach (take your pick) as ME with the ATO, same as PIFR.

SE is the same procedure, just without the engine failures.

Ps. Or you could just read CAO 40.2.3 Para 6.2 (ii) as qouted.

[Tee Emm]

You should find a friendly local simulator and try and get on it once a month

Wish I could find a woman like that.

[Jack Ranga]

Mate, they're everywhere cost about the same as an hour in the sim

[Clearedtoreenter]

Maybe the question should have been phrased: does an MECIR renewal also renew the PIFR(SE)? That's it, just what the rules say is what I was having difficulty finding.

I requested the ATO to do that at a CIR renewal. He duly signed off the PIFR in the AFR section of my log book but I rather got the feeling he did not like doing it. I think he was a bit disdainful of the PIFR generally. I don't think you have to ever 'renew' the PIFR. It's just an AFR with a qualified person and so your ATO can sign that off when you renew the CIR, if they so choose.

[bentleg]

I don't think you have to ever 'renew' the PIFR. It's just an AFR with a qualified person

Yes it is an AFR, however it must cover the PIFR skills.

At last review I was required to do two AFR's, one for VFR and another for PIFR, including my FPA's.

[Shagpile]

Is it every year or 2 years?

[Tee Emm]

Mate, they're everywhere cost about the same as an hour in the sim

Does that include unusual attitudes?