How high is the highest class G in Aus?
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I'm curious as to why the AIP makes reference to it as though it is used?
I doubt they forgot to delete it during a cut and paste exercise. There must be a reason for it?
I doubt they forgot to delete it during a cut and paste exercise. There must be a reason for it?
Last edited by Nautilus Blue; 9th May 2013 at 00:35.
'Possibly' left as a 'mention'...in the same context as
'This Page Intentionally Left Blank'....??
Just so as 'we the great unwashed' know that 'they' have thought about it...
OR...as said - left in from the cut & paste, but cut from wot???
Sometimes I just think they are 'all' from the 'left bank'....
Happy Ldgs.....
'This Page Intentionally Left Blank'....??
Just so as 'we the great unwashed' know that 'they' have thought about it...
OR...as said - left in from the cut & paste, but cut from wot???
Sometimes I just think they are 'all' from the 'left bank'....
Happy Ldgs.....
Last edited by Ex FSO GRIFFO; 9th May 2013 at 04:51.
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Ooh, thanks for all the answers guys. I figured it was to all intents and purposes FL180, but it seems like one could go higher if necessary.
Actually, the question that prompted this question was how high it might be legal to fly a model aircraft/UAV. For the purposes of "sport and recreation", one is only limited to line-of-sight in uncontrolled airspace when flying one's balsa and tissue contraptions, so it seems like a sharp pair of eyes are needed for any altitude record attempts.
Actually, the question that prompted this question was how high it might be legal to fly a model aircraft/UAV. For the purposes of "sport and recreation", one is only limited to line-of-sight in uncontrolled airspace when flying one's balsa and tissue contraptions, so it seems like a sharp pair of eyes are needed for any altitude record attempts.
Last edited by Andy_RR; 11th May 2013 at 12:40.
Well Andy,
To establish an altitude record, I guess you could always hire a real aircraft and 'accompany' your UAV / model so as to remain in....
1 - radio range of its controls, and, of course,
2 - that all important 'line of sight'.....
There is / was an 'urban myth' of a radio controlled glider, wingspan 'over 6 feet', that got away from its controller at the R/C field at Kalgoorlie, and was supposedly sighted by a then T-Jet over the coast....(Very late 70's - Early 80's...)
Is that high enuf..??
p.s. From an ERC Low, 'E' seems to be LL FL180 'all over' with 'A' at LL FL245above.
Requirements for 'E' ...??
Cheers
To establish an altitude record, I guess you could always hire a real aircraft and 'accompany' your UAV / model so as to remain in....
1 - radio range of its controls, and, of course,
2 - that all important 'line of sight'.....
There is / was an 'urban myth' of a radio controlled glider, wingspan 'over 6 feet', that got away from its controller at the R/C field at Kalgoorlie, and was supposedly sighted by a then T-Jet over the coast....(Very late 70's - Early 80's...)
Is that high enuf..??
p.s. From an ERC Low, 'E' seems to be LL FL180 'all over' with 'A' at LL FL245above.
Requirements for 'E' ...??
Cheers
Last edited by Ex FSO GRIFFO; 12th May 2013 at 01:38.
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radio range isn't a big problem these days since autonomous operation is possible and control isn't a legal requirement
VLOS is the major hurdle however, given a visual accuity of 6/6 or better, a 2m wingspan airframe should technically be visible at FL180 if CAVU. Additionally, I don't think the line-of-sight condition would legally need to be unaided, although I'd not bet my house on that point.
Class E is, I understand, considered controlled airspace, so you'd need ATC clearance to enter with a model aircraft, oddly enough...
VLOS is the major hurdle however, given a visual accuity of 6/6 or better, a 2m wingspan airframe should technically be visible at FL180 if CAVU. Additionally, I don't think the line-of-sight condition would legally need to be unaided, although I'd not bet my house on that point.
Class E is, I understand, considered controlled airspace, so you'd need ATC clearance to enter with a model aircraft, oddly enough...
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automomous operation is possible and control isn't a legal requirement
VFR aircraft don't need a clearance to enter class E, but I suppose it would be hard to fit a model with a transponder.
Ballooneers and glidists have arranged restricted areas and airspace reclassifications for record breaking attempts, maybe start schmoozing CASA?
Requirements for 'E' ...??
Last edited by Nautilus Blue; 12th May 2013 at 14:58.
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Yes, this is also possible to get past FL180 and into class A if necessary. It might be a reasonable thing to do in the future, however that wasn't the key to the original question, which was, how far could you legally go given the current constraints.
how far could you legally go given the current constraints.
The various model aircraft locations that have been granted approval by CASA to operate above 400FT AGL are marked on the charts.
UAVs vs. model aircraft are treated entirely differently WRT the regs, operator requirements etc. as you've no doubt discovered from Part 101.
