Approved instruments

[Bonniciwah]

So this explains is why you see Experimental panels with a 10 inch Skyview screen, and separate steam gauges. I thought they were back ups.

[baswell]

Plenty of aircraft around with nothing by Dynon and no steam gauges.

Or with non-TSO steam gauges as backup.

[VH-XXX]

Sorted

I just made a phone call. A phone is a great device for talking with people versus guessing and theorizing, so I thought I'd give it a go. I hope this helps Sunny because I invested 5 minutes of my time on this.

- TSO'ed Flight and Navigation instruments are NOT required for Day VFR

- The project CS13/01 is ONLY for IFR aircraft

- ALL aircraft that plan to enter CTA, MUST have a TSO'd primary radio, but a secondary non approved non TSO'ed is ok. A factory built RAA or GA experimental aircraft for example fitted with a Dynon radio can NOT enter CTA legally (Dynon are currently seeking the required approvals for this)

- The paperwork that explains the Day VFR part was released in November last year as an amendment to 20.18

- All radio equipment must be TSO'ed for entry into CTA and this includes the transponder, so that affects the dynon transponder too

- Using the built in Dynon altitude encoder coupled to a TSO'ed transponder is questionable

I hope that clears things up and I am now also a little more educated.

[Creampuff]

I don’t understand how you reconcile this:

TSO'ed Flight and Navigation instruments are NOT required for Day VFR.

…. with this:

ALL aircraft that plan to enter CTA, MUST have a TSO'd primary radio, but a secondary non approved non TSO'ed is ok. A factory built RAA or GA experimental aircraft for example fitted with a Dynon radio can NOT enter CTA legally (Dynon are currently seeking the required approvals for
this) …

All radio equipment must be TSO'ed for entry into CTA and this includes the transponder, so that affects the dynon transponder too

Did you mean this instead: “TSO’ed Flight and Navigation instruments are NOT required for Day VFR aircraft that do not plan to enter CTA?”

[Jabawocky]

Creamie, thats easy. Flight instruments, basically 6 pack stuff. Nav=VOR/ADF/GPS
Comm is the VHF and TXpder.

And the Jury is out on a lot of other stuff too.

[Frank Arouet]

Last I looked I was required to have an endorsement on the ADF and VOR. I admit this was for NVFR but when this was fashionable you could get a Class 4 (Day), which also endorsed you.

Use of these instruments unendorsed were for Visual fiddling and you couldn't even mark them on your flight plan unless endorsed.

My Bendix T12D made it legal for me to fly above 8/8 clouds and listen to cricket scores and it always pointed to the nearest thunderstorm. A great innovation.

Pity about the Morse thing considering I nearly went mad learning to copy 10 WPM.

What's a GPS again?

[VH-XXX]

By the way I've heard that people are wondering who I called for the details in my post above, my call was to Mick English of CASA whose name appears in the link above as the project implementer. He was most helpful and answered all of my questions with a degree of confidence.

[Sunfish]

Thank you for your good work VH-XXX. 27 posts before the definitive answer.

The CASA website copy of 20.18 that I was referencing (link below) is not amended. If it had been, this storm in a teacup wouldn't have happened.

OLDASSET

Just goes to show that you need to look at the Comlaw website copy of any regs.

As for radios, I hope Dynon do get their radio approved because it saves space and complements the rest of the system. Since YMMB is class D and I also may wish to regularly transit around YMAV, I need something that is approved.


Dynon on their support forum said their radio was not approved by anyone - but I assume they must have forgotten their own FCC?

Next question. What would be the point of fitting a certificated versus uncertificated version of the same engine in anexperimental aircraft and would it remain certified is not maintained by a LAME?

Civil Aviation Order 20.18 Amendment Instrument 2012 (No. 2)

1 Name of instrument

This instrument is the Civil Aviation Order 20.18 Amendment Instrument 2012 (No. 2).

2 Commencement

This instrument commences on the day after registration.

3 Amendment of Civil Aviation Order 20.18

Schedule 1 amends Civil Aviation Order 20.18.

Schedule 1 Amendments

[1] Paragraph 3.2 omit A insert Subject to paragraph 3A.1, a

[2] Paragraph 3.3 omit A insert Subject to paragraph 3A.2, a

[3] Paragraph 3.4 omi An insert Subject to paragraph 3A.3, an

[4] New subsection 3A after subsection 3, insert

3A Operations to which flight and navigation equipment requirements do not apply

3A.1 Paragraph 3.2 does not apply to a helicopter that operates under the V.F.R., and for which an experimental certificate has been issued under paragraph 21.191 (g) or (h) of CASR 1998, if equipment is carried that provides a pilot with the same information that would be obtained by compliance with the requirements of Appendix VI for operations by day, or Appendix VIII if approved for operations by night.

3A.2 Paragraph 3.3 does not apply to a balloon that operates by day under the V.F.R.:

(a) being an aircraft for which a current certificate of airworthiness as a light sport aircraft (LSA) has been issued; or

(b) being an aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been issued under paragraph 21.191 (g), (h) or (j) or an LSA for which an experimental certificate has been issued under paragraph 21.191 (k) of CASR 1998;

if equipment is carried that provides a pilot with the same information that would be obtained by compliance with the requirements of Appendix X.

3A.3 Paragraph 3.4 does not apply to any other aircraft that operates under the V.F.R.:

(a) being an aircraft for which a current certificate of airworthiness as an LSA has been issued; or

(b) being an aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been issued under paragraph 21.191 (g), (h) or (j) or an LSA for which an experimental certificate has been issued under paragraph 21.191 (k), of CASR 1998;

if equipment is carried that provides a pilot with the same information that would be obtained by compliance with the requirements of Appendix I for operations by day, or Appendix IV if approved for operations by night.

3A.4 An aircraft referred to in paragraphs 3A.1 to 3A.3 that is approved to operate at night and is equipped with an Electronic Flight Information System (EFIS), or other means of electronically displaying the required information, must be provided with a battery-powered back-up, or another form of instrumentation independent of the aircraft electrical system, that is approved by an authorised person as suitable, in the case of a failure of the aircraft electrical system, for the purpose of enabling the pilot to divert to and use a safe landing site.

3A.5 If an aircraft equipped as required under paragraph 3A.4 has a battery-powered back-up to an EFIS, the back-up must be of sufficient capacity to power the EFIS panel or other display for 90 minutes and must be fully charged before the commencement of a flight at night.

3A.6 Subject to paragraph 3A.7, an Australian registered aircraft may be operated without compliance with the flight and navigation equipment requirements in subsections 3 and 4 of this Order if it can show compliance with an equivalent level of safety, as determined by the type certificating authority for the aircraft, taking into consideration its intended operation.

3A.7 The type certificating authority for the aircraft must be a recognised authority.

3A.8 In paragraph 3A.7, recognised authority means an authority of a country listed in regulation 21.012 of CASR 1998.

[5] Paragraph 4.1 omit An insert Subject to subsection 3A, an

[6] Paragraph 4.2 omit A insert Subject to subsection 3A, a

Civil Aviation Order 20.18 Amendment Instrument 2012 (No. 2)

[Jabawocky]

Sunny.... the problem here is CASA have screwed up, what was modelled on the FAA back in 1998, Vs the version spruked by CASA in the last few months is a very wide gap. Hence the problem.

And basically when the dust settles I hope they learn a lot. And normallity will return.

The problem they have is they try too hard, and then make a mess....and then waste everyones time and money. Where is that video of a dog chasing its tail.

Trust me, I have a bunch of ex CASA and other highly qualified folk working on this. Problem is we are paying to fix their stuff ups.