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Albanese wants to spend $114 Billion on Trains, why?

Old 11th Apr 2013, 12:47
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Top cackle..

Hey! Gassed budgie, steady on... I nearly busted a gut laughing!

Recently Albo had a very rough ride (in first class, of course) thru a front and thunderies to CB. Thinks ..there must be a better way than this. Scary !

BIG LIGHT BULB moment !..ah ha... lets regurgitate that High Speed Rail thingy.

Bit of inter-Department rivalry here too, if Conroy can do 50 Billion on NBN, I can beat that hands down with 114 Billion. Yehaaa I'm tops.!!

Yep..definitely a Richard Cranium.

And he wont even get to ride in a train out of CB come Sept 14.
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Old 11th Apr 2013, 13:41
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I dunno about any of you lot but I started pissing myself laughing when I read it would take 10 years to get all the approvals. CASA must be building it?
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Old 11th Apr 2013, 14:18
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spending $114B on infrastructure means the punters will have to stump up $7B or so per annum just to keep the bank manager happy. That's before you even turn it on, let alone depreciate the hardware! $350 or so per person p.a.

I dont think so!
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Old 11th Apr 2013, 20:57
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Or just spend one tenth of that and straighten and modernise the existing rail network.
We already have the XPT and Country Explorer trains that can happily do 130-150 km/h, but are hamstrung by tracks designed for lumbering goods trains, which largely don't use the network anymore.
High speed rail for the east coast? Why bother? Who will pay $250 for the tickets?
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Old 12th Apr 2013, 02:43
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T28D.....you got it in one! (Post #17)

You'll see over the coming weeks some pretty amazing ideas come out of the current federal crowd, what they're doing is 'canvassing' the public for something that will be able to be 'promised', "if we get elected" and that they can defer to whenever a difficult subject comes up during the run-up to September 14!


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Old 12th Apr 2013, 03:18
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For a Politician threatened with the loss of his place at the trough no lie is too large.Little Albo is again a possibility of losing his Seat to the Greens who will be assisted.this time, by preferences from most of the other candidates.Expect anytime now for Albo to announce that his trains will be covered in solar panels and won't be using any of that filthy coal generated electricity.
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Old 12th Apr 2013, 03:23
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Question Why, $114 Billion on HS Rail

Folks, the odest political ploy known. Distract the masses from the incompetence of the past six years and the massive debt incurred by proposing a "pipe dream" such as the High Speed Train at $114 Billion. Given the way this mob cooks the books the cost by completion could be anything. One sure bet is that any estimates put forward by Albanese would be even more rubbery than Swans Budget estimates.

It won't happen, certainly not in the lifespan of most of us.
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Old 12th Apr 2013, 03:55
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Or our grandchildren.
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Old 12th Apr 2013, 04:56
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Agree with the majority of comments. It's all a load of shite. These fools can't even spend a few million assisting pensioners on struggle street or providing decent financial assistance to people with disabilities, yet between Albo the Magician and Conroy the Deceptive they are talking about $200 billion worth of fantasy. Fools. What, is Swanny going to start printing money Benanke style or is that red haired freak boss of Swanny going to just take our superannuation to fund their fantasies? Fools.
Of course they are promising to fund big ticket items that will take a century to complete. It's a con, and any voter dumb enough to swallow this crap is beyond help.
As for Albo's hair, agreed, it is a disgrace, it looks like Cousin It from The Adams Family has sat on his head. You would think with all the money that the Mascot Messiah makes from politics he could fix his hair, teeth and slobbering?

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I wonder if it was Albo who was the voiceover for the chimp in the 'Wally from Walpamur' ads years ago (remember those?).

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Old 12th Apr 2013, 05:34
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Albo is again a possibility of losing his Seat to the Greens
Yep, and if the greens get in they will do a "Gomez" with the fast train idea to Canberra...



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Old 12th Apr 2013, 05:46
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Gomex for Canberra

Do you think we could get a "Gomez" to attend an ALP Caucus meeting with his "Toy" ??? Oh, I forgot. Only knives allowed!!!

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Old 12th Apr 2013, 11:12
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I live in regional Victoria and would walk over hot coals to be able to have a 30 min train trip to melb or 50 min trip to Albury. 2 hrs to Sydney huh.....where do I buy my ticket. When I go to Syd by the rat, its 3 hrs just to get down to melb, park the car, jump on the bus, check in and get my butt on the seat in the 737.

High speed rail radiating from the capital cities is vital, as is high speed rail linking capital cities. If this proposal kicks off, Shepparton will go gang busters, as will Albury and all the stops in between. Finally living in the country and working in the city will be viable.

I have travelled all over japan on the Bullet train, France on the TGV and Germany on ze very fast train. It opens up the regional areas like nothing else. Had an interesting chat with a German on a train one day out of Fankfourt, he was complain how his line had to put up with the sub standard (slow) trains that only did a measely 200km/h. he nearly had a heart attack whe I told hime the average speed of our Shepparton to Melb train( 110 km/h ...occasionally).

So bring the high speed train on....with all haste.
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Old 12th Apr 2013, 12:25
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Who says its gunna stop?
Takes a bit to get a train up to 300 km/h and I can't imagine they would want to stop much?
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Old 12th Apr 2013, 12:30
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all well and good

NMC...BUT... consider the size of the countries yr talking about and the populations. Small and very big respectively.
And dear OZ...its trouble is its too bloody BIG and the population is small.
Melbourne to Brisbane is like Madrid to Moscow and on to the Siberian gulags even.
We are in run down to an election..and Oz / all pollies are famous for big talk before and do nothing after if elected.
And as sure as the sun comes up tomorrow the current mob will be swept aside ...so any BS forthcoming now is totally meaningless.

How about Albo just buy every country town a Cessna Citation or such like so folk can whizz into the capital city in an hour or so. Very efficient.

Recent Dept Transport costing in QLD quoted a rail ticket to Roma ? is subsidized/costs the taxpayer, to the tune of $2500..! You can get an around the world air fare for less.!!
Taxpayers dollars should be efficiently spent by bureaurats, not chucked around like confetti.
Keep going the way we are and it will all end in tears.
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If God had meant for man to go from Sydney to Canberra by land in one hour he would have given him wings.
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 01:20
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Albo won't be aroung at the end of July....pud puller!!
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 02:09
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One sure bet is that any estimates put forward by Albanese would be even more rubbery than Swans Budget estimates.
Folks,
That would be the understatement of the week. Even if you were to take these figures "presented" seriously, ( and if you do, you must be be smoking some really good sh1t, where can I get some) the claimed a rate of return of 0.8% -- even if the input figures were accurate, 0.8% is within the area of uncertainty for even a properly costed project that will only cover a period of 2-3 years.

40 years ?? That is "call the men in the white coats" stuff.

In assessing the cost/benefit of any significant project, you have to discount claims by a factor known as "proponent bias" ---- ie; reduce the value of the claimed benefits, and increase the claimed costs, as just part of the workings of a proper cost/benefit analysis.

Our dearly beloved CASA is a world champion when it comes to proponent bias on cost/benefit analysis.

Tail Wheel, with a few specialist exceptions, like the French post trains, all the high speed rail I know of run on dedicated lines, not mixed lines. Even the InterCity 125s in UK have their own dedicated lines --- the whatever they are called fastest trains in NSW are based on these UK trains, but, in the old money, instead of cruising ay 125-135 mph, in NSW they rarely reach 60mph, and there are lots 20-30 mph restrictions --- in fact more restricted than unrestricted.

It is crazy that the train timetable Sydney-Newcastle is now slower than in 1948, thanks to lots of sever speed limits on deteriorated track.

T-28D is on the money, I think part of Labor's place in the opinion polls is the general populous is not stupid, and don't much appreciate being treated as if they are as thick as two short planks.

I do not know of any HS Rail network that is not Government ( you and me, the mug taxpayers) subsidized, the European subsidies are huge, despite the population density.

A better comparison would be Amtrak in the US, given the greater US distances (don't forget, western Europe more or less fits into Victoria and NSW) and the lower than European population densities, even though much greater than Australia, you cannot sustain a truly honest argument for HS rail down the US east coast corridor, let alone the rest of the country.

As Mr. Boeing says, 3000m of rail gets you 3000m, 3000m of runway gets you anywhere.

In fact, the total seat mile costs and energy consumption costs per seat mile (this is the bit the Greenies hate) are highly competitive with even "highish" speed rail, and usually beat genuine HS rail. As for the environment, it is only the nuclear powered grid in France that shows a "green" benefit over air, and somehow I can't see our Greens fervently promoting a major nuclear power generation program to make electric rail "green".

Tootle pip!!

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Old 13th Apr 2013, 06:21
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May I suggest that most of you crawl out of the dark holes that your ignorance on the subject has caused you to dig (not that that is any impediment to commentary on PPRuNe) and read todays offering from Ben Sandilands. It may give cause to some of you to think.

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via PLovett;

May I suggest that most of you crawl out of the dark holes that your ignorance on the subject has caused you to dig (not that that is any impediment to commentary on PPRuNe) and read todays offering from Ben Sandilands. It may give cause to some of you to think...
Hmmm... I "think" Sandilands should stick to writing about aircraft. His writing on trains is as muddle headed as his writing on global warming..







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