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Tires and tubes for Cessna 172

Old 14th Mar 2013, 07:30
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Tires and tubes for Cessna 172

Guys and Gals,

Where is the best place to source tires and tubes for a C172M? And any particular model I need?

Thanks in advance.

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Old 14th Mar 2013, 08:07
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eBay?
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 08:09
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What do you mean by "best" Jim, cheap or good quality or both?
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 08:19
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Cool

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Old 14th Mar 2013, 09:25
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Check the cost of bringing them in from USA. Desser tyres is a good start. Tyres are easy to post, the ones I have brought in just had a delivery tag tied through the hole, no packaging required. I have never had much joy with Aussie aircraft parts suppliers, they seem to only want too supply aircraft engineering businesses. Individuals with credit cards are ruled out.
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 09:45
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Spriteah, they are 'tyres' not 'tires.
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 10:03
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Well I want reasonable tyres and tubes.

I can source from US the following:

06-07110 G/Y FLT SPEC 500-5 4 PLY 1.00 98.990 98.99
06-00021 MICH AIRSTOP TUBE 6.00-6 STR ST 2.00 54.850 109.70
06-00019 MICH AIRSTOP TUBE 5.00-5 BNT90 1.00 69.000 69.00
06-00017 MICH AVIATOR TIRE 600-6 4PLY 2.00 129.000 258.00
7277-5-2 MIN 2 AMP CIRCUIT BREAKER LONG 1.00 29.850 29.85
FREIGHT ESTIMATED FREIGHT CHARGE 1.00 270.000 270.00

Total Quote: $835.54 USD

Is that reasonable.

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Old 14th Mar 2013, 20:44
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Freight seems a bit rich Jim. Been a while since I brought in such weight so I can't really recall. Also try Aircraft Spruce. Recently it was cheaper for me to bring in 3 air filters and 6 oil filters from them with $70 odd in freight than it was for me to buy them in Australia. Tyres are somewhat heavier ...
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 20:53
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i have been getting my supply of tubes for 6.00x6 tyres from the UK. via Ebay. tyres i get through Hawker pacific at YSBK. last lot were about $50 a tyre.
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 22:18
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I recently got a very good deal on a new set of 5 * 5.00 6 ply tyres and tubes from Budget Pilot Supplies: The Pilot Shop for Cheaper Pilot Supplies

Had a problem with slow leaks so I had to replace the tubes too. Aircraft tubes are surprisingly expensive. Car tubes are probably < $20, plane tubes > $100.

From memory, a pair of tyres and tubes (including freight) from Qld to Melb) cost $440, which was a heaps better than the ~$600 I was quoted by someone else.

They had them in stock and they arrived two days later.
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Old 15th Mar 2013, 00:07
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Aviation Consumer did tests on aircraft tyres a couple of years ago. I don't distinctly remember, but I think Goodyear & Condor were rated best. Aviation Consumer did a pretty good job of the testing and used a number of tests including a cut test and a flat spotting test.
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The tyres I picked up were Condors, which are also a fairly cheap option.

Cost me $440 from Budget Pilot Supplies, and the quote was about $600 from Aviall. I don;t think Aviall like dealing with people off the street and will usually push you to order thru a LAME.
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I got a Goodyear flight custom for a Cirrus (those low profile tyres are really expensive here) from Preferred Air Parts for $50, new with paperwork. It cost $75 to ship.
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Old 15th Mar 2013, 14:28
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Here's an idea, why not get your maintenance done at an approved facility.
Why do you think there is such a shortage of decent engineers around when everyone wants to do it themselves.
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Replacement of tyres is allowed by pilots. Pull your head in.

Maintenance is done by owners (in part) because there is a shortage. It just doesn't work the other way around. Frankly, in my opinion we would have a better standard of aircraft maintenance if owners were encouraged to be more engaged (before you react, consider my use of the word engaged).
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Old 16th Mar 2013, 10:50
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Trader

The latest trader has a 'specials board' which has an offer for tyres 6.00x6-6
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Old 18th Mar 2013, 04:39
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I may just wade into this one also.

I have been around a while and done the legislation exam in many countries. Indeed I hold licences from more than a handful of countries.

I get to hear this pilot maintenance thing quite a bit. Many owners actually do seem to think they can do various tasks on their machines.
We are talking tyre replacement here and there is obviously an impression that the owner can do that particular task.

I would be keen to see a reference which states that is actually the case.

We can assume we are talking about a privately owned C-172 operated privately by just the owner/pilot for the purpose of this exercise.


Let's do both Aussie and NZ because many here would be keen to know the answer.

Anyone here up to speed with the regs ?
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CIVIL AVIATION REGULATIONS 1988 SCHEDULE 8--- Maintenance that may be carried out on a Class B aircraft by a pilot entitled to do so under sub regulation 42ZC(4), sets out the Australian authority.

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Tires and tubes for Cessna 172

CAAP 42ZC-1(2) gives easier to understand guidance on approved pilot maintenance.
Even though a pilot is permitted to do this work they are still held to the same level of compliance as a LAME would be.
Current data, calibrated tooling, release notes, and certification of the work performed.
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Old 18th Mar 2013, 22:28
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The FAA view of pilot maintenance.

What kind of Maintenance Can I do On My Aircraft ?**

PART 43--MAINTENANCE, PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE, REBUILDING, AND ALTERATION

Ok, these sites are not from the FAA directly and are possibly not up to date but they may serve to highlight the confused areas.

Part 43 very clearly states how ALL maintenance is to be carried out and documented. There is no exception for 'Pilot' maintenance.
It is a clause within the Part that lists a variety of 'preventative maintenance' tasks the pilot may be able to c/o and certify.
Be it a A&P, his grandmother or a private pilot, the requirements are all exactly the same.

Although the following examples of preventive maintenance authorized by FAR Part 43 can be done by a certificated pilot under the conditions listed in the FAR, each individual planning on doing such work should make a self-analysis as to whether or not he or she has the ability to perform the work satisfactorily and safely. If any of the preventive maintenance authorized by FAR Part 43 is done, the person doing the work must make an entry in the appropriate logbook or record system to document the work done.


The actual regs are more difficult to digest and often you cannot just read one paragraph in isolation.


As mentioned in the post above there are various requirements.

Part 21 is very much applicable obviously. We are talking about the supply and fitting of replacement parts here. This has the potential to be a major hurdle if the purchaser has little appreciation of the requirements.
We are obviously going to need some form of release documentation and some acceptable data for the conformity requirements there.
We then need the current publications to actually complete the task and do the Release to Service.

Now that is the US version, it is perhaps the most documented and with the widest range of info available on the 'net.




I asked about the NZ and Aussie versions for a reason.

In every country I work in I have always seen the local regs have provision for similar work. Invariably the requirements are the same as indeed are the issues.

Many owners purchase and produce parts they expect to get fitted to their aircraft. Nope, doesn't happen. A large percentage don't make the grade.
Often it something as basic as not reading the IPC, or the notes, correctly.
Sometimes a SB or SL has the real data on the requirements and instructions.
More often it is due to a complete lack of awareness, and understanding, of Part 21.

We then get the competency to do the job. Has the person the training and ability to do the task proficiently, and safely, and then do the paperwork correctly. Remember this is usually an unsupervised effort.

The NZ regs have a few twists and turns in them when it comes to Pilot maintenance.
Anyone care to have a crack at it ?

As an aside I have even seen a Student Pilot trot out his version of how he can do 'Pilot Maintenance'.
It is very clearly a misunderstood area in the regs, - either that or the guys are bending the rules to suit themselves.
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