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Old 7th Mar 2013, 03:01
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Given CASA a photo recently? No? Stump up $8500

At least that's the way I read it, every 9.5 years you have to give them a photo?

61.370 Provision of photograph

(1) The holder of a flight crew licence commits an offence if:

(a) the holder exercises the privileges of the licence after the end of 10 years beginning:

(i) when the licence was granted; or

(ii) if the holder holds more than one flight crew licence—when the holder's most recent licence was granted; and

(b) the holder has not, before the exercise of the privileges, given CASA a photograph of the holder:

(i) showing the holder's full face and his or her head and shoulders; and

(ii) taken not earlier than 6 months before the end of the period mentioned in paragraph (a).

Penalty: 50 penalty units.

(2) An offence against this regulation is an offence of strict liability.

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Old 7th Mar 2013, 03:09
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$8,500 in fact.

A penalty unit was recently changed to $170. The fabled surplus and all that ....
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 04:08
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Would an ASIC photo not cover the requirement?
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 04:25
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I don't know - does it?

I get my ASIC through Melbourne Airport - not CASA - and thought it was a DOTARS thing?
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 04:32
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What about pilot's with a DL medical. I'm aware the original AVID had a photo, and I can understand this reasoning. Does this mean your DL medical is invalid if after 10 years it is without and updated AVID photo?

I remember one bloke who I didn't like much, but I agreed with him at the time that an AVID should equal an ASIC given the security checks.

My baby photo looks like I am now. Would this do?

When do Passport photo's expire, or are they yearly renewals including photo's.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 04:56
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Most important to me, and it's happening more and more frequently by the day, is this an offence of strict liability?
 
Old 7th Mar 2013, 05:35
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I was told an ASIC covers it.

In fact I was told if I didn't want an ASIC my Licence needed a photo.

( I still have a 1970's Green licence and haven't wanted or needed to "buy" one of these new fangled types )

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Old 7th Mar 2013, 06:02
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Don't you have an AVID Nitpicker? Thought for a licence to be valid it needed a photo regardless of type.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 06:29
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I'll send CASA a new photo in Movember, around day 30
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 07:27
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I was told an ASIC covers it.
By whom?

And yes, it's strict liability.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 08:29
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The answer? well maybe send them a Photograph, that's all, no return address, plane envelope, with a note "in compliance with reg whatever". Get someone to witness that you actually sent it, aww hell send them the wife and kids photo as well, perhaps your dog, cat, budgy, flood them with photo's.

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Old 7th Mar 2013, 09:15
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I was having similar thoughts....
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 09:35
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If I didn't have an ASIC then yes I'd need a photo on my licence and therefore I'd need to get a new Licence.

This came straight from Licensing section around 5 years ago.

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Old 7th Mar 2013, 09:51
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Ok, just sniffed around CASA.

If you go to this document:--

http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset...l/010r0301.pdf

Look at section 3.1

‘Old’ Book Style
The ‘old’ book style licences issued before April 1992 can still be used if they are endorsed as ‘PERPETUAL’ by the CASA Central Office. Licences with an expiry date cannot be used.
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Old 12th Sep 2013, 06:04
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So which form are we supposed to use to keep in line with this reg?

Within the same document (Flight Crew Licensing Procedures) I found two references which appeared to have the same name, but two different forms. Neither of which seem to be in existence anymore.

Flight Crew Photo ID/Student Pilot Licence Application Form 639 and Flight Crew Photo ID/Student Pilot Licence Checklist Form 899.

I found one of the forms using google, buti it appeared to be linked to an American flying school.
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Old 12th Sep 2013, 07:13
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Even if you have an ASIC, aren't you also supposed to have a valid AVID to commit aviation in Oz?
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Old 12th Sep 2013, 07:42
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Folks,
Aren't our clear, concise "reformed" regulations a delight to the eye, and a pleasure to use. Such a wonderful outcome for the $200M/300M/?? (pick a number) spent so far. Great value for the money.
Who knows what is buried in the 500/500/900 ?? ( who knows how many pages "finally") pages of regulations, manuals of standards and advisory material just for a pilots license.

Sadly, this is a prime example of the "rule by law", where the law is whatever some bureaucrat with enforcement powers says it is --- and unless you are Dick Smith, you do not have the financial resources to argue.

On the specific point off: Will an ASIC pic. "comply" --- I don't think so (best guess) because it is required by a different piece of legislation, and holding an ASIC is not "mandatory".

Tootle pip!!

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Old 12th Sep 2013, 07:42
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An ASIC trumps an AVID, you need one or tother to commit aviation in OZ. Which one you need depends on which hairport you wish to fly into. A hairport with an RPT service requires an ASIC

I was informed that you must have a photo on the new licence, it's actually the same photo that's on my ASIC, only difference is the photo on my licence is so badly printed you can't identify anybody on it anyway. I guess the saving grace is my ARN is on both....

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Old 12th Sep 2013, 07:50
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An ASIC trumps an AVID
garrya100,

It does??
What game are we playing??
Strict Liability Roulette??
Just what is the basis for that assertion??

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Old 12th Sep 2013, 07:58
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Dear Leadsled, surely you've done your research,
From both DOTAR and CASA for your reference,

ASICs and AVIDs show that the holder has a current security check but only an ASIC can be used at security controlled airports. ASICs are normally valid for up to 2 years and AVIDs are normally valid for up to 5 years.

While an AVID and an ASIC are both evidence that background checks have been undertaken, the background checks for the AVID are not equivalent to the checks for the ASIC.

At a minimum, all pilots 18 or over must undergo the background checks for an AVID. Only those pilots who require access to a secure area of a security controlled airport will need to undergo the more robust background checks for an ASIC.

To streamline processes and remove any duplication, pilots who undergo the background checking for an ASIC do not have to undergo the background checking for an AVID.

If you plan to fly into a security controlled airport that has RPT services you need to have an ASIC.

Next.....

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