ANZ SO Recruitment
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Who cares about the logbook time? It may surprise those of you still searching for the particular job you want, but once you get there the logbook is simply a chore to be done before your check. All pilots assigned to a flight are required by law to log all the time for flight and duty limit compliance. How that time (second officer) may be viewed by a subsequent employer is a different matter. If you need some jet time to head off to the desert then I'd do a bit of research first. Second Officers have received full type ratings for as long as I can remember and are checked to the same standard as all other ranks. In addition, they do a "handling" sim between each check to sharpen up on low level (below FL200) procedures. It's been a slow 5-6 years but barring some global catastrophe then now is a great time to be joining.
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Yes SO have received full type rating courses.
As I have said, they did not get a final sign off to be -issued- a full type rating. Maybe it had some limitation on it such as P2 only, the whole point was to keep the salary down, and maybe going to another company.
This has since changed.
As I have said, they did not get a final sign off to be -issued- a full type rating. Maybe it had some limitation on it such as P2 only, the whole point was to keep the salary down, and maybe going to another company.
This has since changed.
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DeltaT, if that was the case it was some years ago. Certainly for the last eight years, and I suspect quite a bit longer than that, SO's have received a full type rating with sign off and annotated on their licence by CAA. All crew in NZ require a type rating and there is no provision for P1/P2 type ratings under NZ law. All ratings are pilot in command ratings.
The reason SO salary is lower than an equivalent First Officer is that it is a lower rank, with different duties. It is the entry level to the company and is the same salary as a 737 FO.
The reason SO salary is lower than an equivalent First Officer is that it is a lower rank, with different duties. It is the entry level to the company and is the same salary as a 737 FO.
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Air New Zealand
Morning all
Wondered if anyone could give some info into working for Air New Zealand, spoke with a member of their company recently and he said that they would be recruiting again within the current months.
More than likely starting on the domestic and Tasman routes, are most of these routes turnarounds or are some of the flights to east-coast Australia night stops as well? What are the roster like on this narrow bodies? Are they set roster I.e 4 on 3 off etc?
I gather it could be many years waiting to get onto the 777 for long haul rotations but what are these like? I know ANZ f/c go all the way thru to heathrow and back, is it 24 hrs in LA and 48 in LHR? Or is it different? What are the rosters like on the 777?
Anyinformation would be appreciated folks
Wondered if anyone could give some info into working for Air New Zealand, spoke with a member of their company recently and he said that they would be recruiting again within the current months.
More than likely starting on the domestic and Tasman routes, are most of these routes turnarounds or are some of the flights to east-coast Australia night stops as well? What are the roster like on this narrow bodies? Are they set roster I.e 4 on 3 off etc?
I gather it could be many years waiting to get onto the 777 for long haul rotations but what are these like? I know ANZ f/c go all the way thru to heathrow and back, is it 24 hrs in LA and 48 in LHR? Or is it different? What are the rosters like on the 777?
Anyinformation would be appreciated folks
You'll start with the link carriers and spend the best part of 5 years in a light turboprop.
You might get a look in at this point for a backseat in the long haul operation.
Maybe 5-10 years again if you're lucky before you see the right seat of a narrow body, another few years before you see the right seat of a wide body and then another that again before a narrow body command.
You'll need to start young or you'll never see the left seat.....
You might get a look in at this point for a backseat in the long haul operation.
Maybe 5-10 years again if you're lucky before you see the right seat of a narrow body, another few years before you see the right seat of a wide body and then another that again before a narrow body command.
You'll need to start young or you'll never see the left seat.....
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It really depends on the experience that you would be bringing to Air NZ as to where you will be placed. Piston time and instructing will most likely put you in the Link carriers as Mr Goblin stated, turboprop and jet time will give you a good shot at Air NZ. If you started at Air NZ you will most likely head to the B777 as an S/O. My guess is you shouldn't spend more than 4-5 years max as a S/O before a move to A320 F/O (as long as you are happy to live in AKL and not wait for outbases ie WLG/CHC).
B777 roster is good with an increasing amount of 4 pilot flying. Current destinations (for S/O's) are Japan, LA, San Fran, Vancouver, Hong Kong, London and Shanghai. There are also the odd day trips to Oz and Rarotonga. London trips are 10 days away on a 1,2,3 pattern (days off at each destination) or 2,2,2 depending on the season.
It's a good time to start at Air NZ. A couple of days ago our chief pilot was overheard grumping about having to find 80 pilots this year . Our training schools are going to be bursting at the seams.
Time to a 'Bus job will come down as more A320's replace the B737. This will see a much faster transition for S/O's to a flying seat. We have the 787 arriving (hopefully!) mid next year which will create a training bubble, as well as 2 more B777s coming. Also, there is a very large number of our pilots over 60 and retirements appear to be starting to happen. Good luck!
SGP
B777 roster is good with an increasing amount of 4 pilot flying. Current destinations (for S/O's) are Japan, LA, San Fran, Vancouver, Hong Kong, London and Shanghai. There are also the odd day trips to Oz and Rarotonga. London trips are 10 days away on a 1,2,3 pattern (days off at each destination) or 2,2,2 depending on the season.
It's a good time to start at Air NZ. A couple of days ago our chief pilot was overheard grumping about having to find 80 pilots this year . Our training schools are going to be bursting at the seams.
Time to a 'Bus job will come down as more A320's replace the B737. This will see a much faster transition for S/O's to a flying seat. We have the 787 arriving (hopefully!) mid next year which will create a training bubble, as well as 2 more B777s coming. Also, there is a very large number of our pilots over 60 and retirements appear to be starting to happen. Good luck!
SGP
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Flyboat, I'm 99.9% sure you can apply with only a CASA license and IF you get the job you can convert.
Under the TTMRA a CASA license is as good as an NZ one and vs versa. Its a matter of filling out forms, paying some of your hard earned cash to the relevant authority and then sitting around waiting for the wheels of bureaucracy to slowly turn.
Under the TTMRA a CASA license is as good as an NZ one and vs versa. Its a matter of filling out forms, paying some of your hard earned cash to the relevant authority and then sitting around waiting for the wheels of bureaucracy to slowly turn.
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Hi
Following on from what is said above
I'm currently an A320 FO for a LoCo in Europe so no work life balance
I have just over 1200 on type and a JAA ATPL
Looking at getting back to NZ
I'm 31 am looking at 7 yrs roughly to command for my current operator and maybe 15 to 20 yrs if I join a Europe legacy similar I believe to ANZ.
With my age I was wondering if it would still be a possibility to get into ANZ
Would I ever see command there?
As I won't be eligible to apply till next yr with the the hours limit
Any advice on this
Cheers
Following on from what is said above
I'm currently an A320 FO for a LoCo in Europe so no work life balance
I have just over 1200 on type and a JAA ATPL
Looking at getting back to NZ
I'm 31 am looking at 7 yrs roughly to command for my current operator and maybe 15 to 20 yrs if I join a Europe legacy similar I believe to ANZ.
With my age I was wondering if it would still be a possibility to get into ANZ
Would I ever see command there?
As I won't be eligible to apply till next yr with the the hours limit
Any advice on this
Cheers
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mmm interesting, 140 new hires in 2014, and now 2 yrs from SO to A320.
Any memos or references to back this up please?
The last forecast of 25-40 new jet pilots per annum is in the Internal Memo on 19 July 2012.
I know the bidding system is a bit complex, but at a basic level this means all the SO in the Fleet ahead of you in seniority will move on to FO in the space of 2yrs??!!
Anyone got a figure on just how many SO pilots that is?
On order are:
2 x 777 replacing 2 x 747 (0)
10 x A320 replacing 12 x B737 (-2)(in terms of crew plane type change)
10 x B787 replacing 5 x B767 (+5, over 4yrs)
An overall increase of +3 aircraft, but +5 longhaul that have SO.
(correct me if I am wrong!)
I know there are pilots needed while others are out getting upgrade training etc, but do you really get 140 pilots required from those changes, and in 1yr?!! or is it really about building up a holding pool for 12months+ ?
Any memos or references to back this up please?
The last forecast of 25-40 new jet pilots per annum is in the Internal Memo on 19 July 2012.
I know the bidding system is a bit complex, but at a basic level this means all the SO in the Fleet ahead of you in seniority will move on to FO in the space of 2yrs??!!
Anyone got a figure on just how many SO pilots that is?
On order are:
2 x 777 replacing 2 x 747 (0)
10 x A320 replacing 12 x B737 (-2)(in terms of crew plane type change)
10 x B787 replacing 5 x B767 (+5, over 4yrs)
An overall increase of +3 aircraft, but +5 longhaul that have SO.
(correct me if I am wrong!)
I know there are pilots needed while others are out getting upgrade training etc, but do you really get 140 pilots required from those changes, and in 1yr?!! or is it really about building up a holding pool for 12months+ ?
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no way. So I guess direct entry FO/ Captain on long haul is totally out of the question?
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Having seen the internal email from the chief pilot with numbers of upgrades and new hires required in 2014 and first half of 2015, they need these pilots. Also remember 50% of pilots are 50yrs plus so joining now will be a different story to what it was years ago.
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Ahh yes the Retiring Pilots chestnut
Ageing Air NZ pilots 'refuse to retire'
"An Air New Zealand pilot who did not wish to be named said the company had about 850 pilots, with more than 100 of these aged over 60 and about three over 70" -2011
Ageing Air NZ pilots 'refuse to retire'
"An Air New Zealand pilot who did not wish to be named said the company had about 850 pilots, with more than 100 of these aged over 60 and about three over 70" -2011