Hi-vis vests to be required at YPJT from 21 January.
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Hi-vis vests to be required at YPJT from 21 January.
So finally the safety industry has discovered Jandakot.
Hi vis vests/clothing must be worn from 21 January or you will be shot and prosecuted. Or perhaps it was prosecuted and shot, anyway you get the idea.
How many decades has the airport been operating?
How many incidents/deaths/injuries have been reported in this time that were attributable to NOT wearing high visibility clothing?
How did we all manage in those busy days of the 80's and 90's, you know when the place was VERY busy, even before 06R/24L?
Show me the COST BENEFIT analysis case for this.
Show me ANY study that says on a clear blue day they make ANY difference to the visibility of a person on the ramp.
These vests were designed for low visibilty situations such as night time, fog and rain. Now we wear them in the middle of the day in summer.
I am going to go and have a little lie down now, and perhaps a little cry at the fact this day has arrived. With its added cost burden shared amongst the many for the delight of the few.
Hi vis vests/clothing must be worn from 21 January or you will be shot and prosecuted. Or perhaps it was prosecuted and shot, anyway you get the idea.
How many decades has the airport been operating?
How many incidents/deaths/injuries have been reported in this time that were attributable to NOT wearing high visibility clothing?
How did we all manage in those busy days of the 80's and 90's, you know when the place was VERY busy, even before 06R/24L?
Show me the COST BENEFIT analysis case for this.
Show me ANY study that says on a clear blue day they make ANY difference to the visibility of a person on the ramp.
These vests were designed for low visibilty situations such as night time, fog and rain. Now we wear them in the middle of the day in summer.
I am going to go and have a little lie down now, and perhaps a little cry at the fact this day has arrived. With its added cost burden shared amongst the many for the delight of the few.
WOW!!! Does it matter that the aeroplane I normally fly is a 'bright' yellow..??
And that I usually taxi right up to the hangar..??
Who has brought on this insanity..???
Bah Humbug!!!
And that I usually taxi right up to the hangar..??
Who has brought on this insanity..???
Bah Humbug!!!
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I have a lovely vest in our canopy cover bag from the lovely town of Launceston. Yes even the two headed folk have been conned into this sill BS.
Show me ANY study that says on a clear blue day they make ANY difference to the visibility of a person on the ramp.
I have long held the belief that the WHS folk are proudly interfering with Post Natal Genetic Selection for decades, and as a result the use of flouro vests etc are actually providing increased risk.
The false sense of security has the opposite effect. These bullet proof shields actually create complacency and are a greater risk longer term.
My personal crusade and safety study has proven as an outsider on site, I am far less obvious and visible in one. I have found far more attention is paid without one.
Police or Ambo's or tow truck drivers on the side of a road on a dark wet night.....different story, but refuelling or unloading my GA plane on the ramp, it actually is a risk. Whats more it is an increased hazzard while refuelling due static discharge.
So what next?
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Those vests are super comfy on those filthy hot 40' plus days 
. At night fine, but during the day it is horse shyte.
. At night fine, but during the day it is horse shyte.
Icarus, do you have a copy of the written direction by the operators? They have been hounding some of the flying school and charter operators for a while but I guess now they are extending it to everyone who goes airside.
Perth airport has had the requirement in for some time as has just about every RPT / chtr opr so we really shouldn't be all that surprised. I think you can pick up the cheap crappy ones in Bunnings for about 5 bucks. Although with their high nylon content the risk of static spark during self serve refuelling operations could be a concern. I wonder if the rocket scientists on the hill did a risk assessment on that aspect?
Just thinking out loud here, I would hazard a guess that within the airports SMS, their risk register identified one of the greatest hazards being persons on the movement area. The CASA AD inspectors would have loved that and made a recommendation in the last safety audit to mandate the wearing of hi viz.
Perth airport has had the requirement in for some time as has just about every RPT / chtr opr so we really shouldn't be all that surprised. I think you can pick up the cheap crappy ones in Bunnings for about 5 bucks. Although with their high nylon content the risk of static spark during self serve refuelling operations could be a concern. I wonder if the rocket scientists on the hill did a risk assessment on that aspect?
Just thinking out loud here, I would hazard a guess that within the airports SMS, their risk register identified one of the greatest hazards being persons on the movement area. The CASA AD inspectors would have loved that and made a recommendation in the last safety audit to mandate the wearing of hi viz.
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Hi Vis YPJT
Guys, you have obviously missed the aim of JAH,who are such a wonderful bunch of aviation lovely chappies.
Anyone who knows anything about mining would realise that all this gear is required on a minesite,and if you haven't been to JT of late,that is exactly what it is.Millions,yes,MILLIONS of tonnes of soil,sand,call it what you will,that belongs to the Australian Taxpayers is being removed every week day from what used to be one of the most pleasantly located airports in the world.I have contacted the local member ( Joe Francis) who has informed me that his "hands are tied" because of a a Commonwealth Govt Approval (EPBC2009/4796 dated 28th March 2010,signed by one Hon Peter Garrett,MP ,giving JAH approval to construct a "4th runway & associated taxiways ,etc,etc) Is that the one shown on the latest plans that goes straight thru the RACWA?.So much for your "greenies".
From my understanding,the environmental impact would be minimal.What a load of ****.This mob have turned the surrounds of the airport into a desert,destroyed every living animal within cooee,cut down one of the last existing natural banksia forests on the coastal belt and last,but not least,totally destroyed the Jandakot Water Mound in the area.
I left after 43 years working & operating on JT.The day i left & decided to trade from home i honestly thought i would miss it.Not so,even though i still have to go there to pick up & drop of parts most days,i hear the anger,resentment,disappointment & frustration of existing operators.But nothing will change,because we are small and they are politicians who know they won't be re-elected,but still earn a tidy pension for their stuff-ups.
Remember who sold out GA when next you vote.
Happy,healthy & safe new year to all Ppruners
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Glen Beard
Anyone who knows anything about mining would realise that all this gear is required on a minesite,and if you haven't been to JT of late,that is exactly what it is.Millions,yes,MILLIONS of tonnes of soil,sand,call it what you will,that belongs to the Australian Taxpayers is being removed every week day from what used to be one of the most pleasantly located airports in the world.I have contacted the local member ( Joe Francis) who has informed me that his "hands are tied" because of a a Commonwealth Govt Approval (EPBC2009/4796 dated 28th March 2010,signed by one Hon Peter Garrett,MP ,giving JAH approval to construct a "4th runway & associated taxiways ,etc,etc) Is that the one shown on the latest plans that goes straight thru the RACWA?.So much for your "greenies".
From my understanding,the environmental impact would be minimal.What a load of ****.This mob have turned the surrounds of the airport into a desert,destroyed every living animal within cooee,cut down one of the last existing natural banksia forests on the coastal belt and last,but not least,totally destroyed the Jandakot Water Mound in the area.
I left after 43 years working & operating on JT.The day i left & decided to trade from home i honestly thought i would miss it.Not so,even though i still have to go there to pick up & drop of parts most days,i hear the anger,resentment,disappointment & frustration of existing operators.But nothing will change,because we are small and they are politicians who know they won't be re-elected,but still earn a tidy pension for their stuff-ups.
Remember who sold out GA when next you vote.
Happy,healthy & safe new year to all Ppruners
regards
Glen Beard
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This was brought in at my local tarmacs a few years back. Of interest is how most operators are so used to seeing the fluro vests everywhere that they have become normalised as background noise. This has lead to incidents when we have not seen them!
Maybe the groundies all need little flags on the tarmac
Maybe the groundies all need little flags on the tarmac
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G'day Glen, Yes its not until you look at the desert and unsightly tilt up walls that now pollute the landscape that you realise just how much bush and associated wildlife was destroyed to satisfy some money hungry yarpies. At least they were stopped from taking over everything and moving the airport down south. Didn't a few people end up with egg on their faces over that little debacle. 
I still have a copy of Mark Vaile's letter telling them to basically pull their heads in.
What is even more sickening though and as you also pointed out, it has all been facilitated by that worthless imposter Garrett. I reckon most Midnight Oil fans feel nothing but contempt for the way he turned his back on his stated ideals.
I still have a copy of Mark Vaile's letter telling them to basically pull their heads in.What is even more sickening though and as you also pointed out, it has all been facilitated by that worthless imposter Garrett. I reckon most Midnight Oil fans feel nothing but contempt for the way he turned his back on his stated ideals.
If everyone wears yellow jackets, are they still high visibility? Might be better to wear a blue polo shirt for contrast.
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And of course after the flouros come in you can forget about security and ASICs. The mind automatically assumes that anyone wearing a flouro has every right to be where they are.
As a matter of fact, I am editing an OHS manual right now. Any power lead on site has to be tested and tagged annuallly. We have bought stands $500 because power leads must be suspended at least Six feet of the ground to avoid tripping hazards.
The only "good" part is that we can relly on "OH&S regulations" to frustrate the lefties in Parks VIctoria who demand we give the general public unfettered access to our waterfront.
As a matter of fact, I am editing an OHS manual right now. Any power lead on site has to be tested and tagged annuallly. We have bought stands $500 because power leads must be suspended at least Six feet of the ground to avoid tripping hazards.
The only "good" part is that we can relly on "OH&S regulations" to frustrate the lefties in Parks VIctoria who demand we give the general public unfettered access to our waterfront.
If you want to be visible, wander about without your HiVis on. In short order some busybody will spot you from the other side of the airport, and drive over furiously in order to tell you how invisible you were! 
Too many rules now. I remember as a sixteen year old learning to fly at Jandakot in the 80s. Just as I was about to shout "clear prop" there was a knock on the door of the 152. What the? It was my grandfather, to tell me the door was slightly ajar - he didn't want me to fall out, bless him. Thankfully he didn't need a vest or an ASIC back then...
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LITIGATION...................no more no less, that's the key word in today's out of control so called modern society.
Nobody is responsible for their own actions anymore, there has to be accountability but sadly these days the 'goody two shoes' rule makers don't have the words 'common sense' in their abbreviations list!!!
Still at least you will be lying there in hospital full knowing that yr high Vis vest really helped...............target you !
Wmk2
Nobody is responsible for their own actions anymore, there has to be accountability but sadly these days the 'goody two shoes' rule makers don't have the words 'common sense' in their abbreviations list!!!
Still at least you will be lying there in hospital full knowing that yr high Vis vest really helped...............target you !
Wmk2
And of course after the flouros come in you can forget about security and ASICs. The mind automatically assumes that anyone wearing a flouro has every right to be where they are.