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Old 21st Jan 2013, 02:25
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Sort of stating the obvious there, scoe.

can't believe these pilots from day one are taught to use the checklist like a monkey and use it as a read and do list
Read and do of normal phases does have its place, and that is at day one. Once they understand and start implementing the procedures themselves, the logical progression is to a checklist.

Were you taught to scan right from your first flight? I wasn't and can pretty well guarantee you will more likely confuse and frustrate the average student by trying to make them scan.

Too much information, but by the time a student approaches GFPT they should understand what they need to achieve and have been able to make the transition to scanning. If not, then the Gr 2 or 1 (or whatever the Kiwi equivalent is) they are flying with should have been doing something about it.
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Old 21st Jan 2013, 07:01
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Were you taught to scan right from your first flight? I wasn't and can pretty well guarantee you will more likely confuse and frustrate the average student by trying to make them scan.
Sorry but must disagree from personal experience on that argument. For many decades as a instructor I have taught students who have never flown before, the scan method of before starts etc and it works beautifully. The RAAF have done the same right through from Tiger Moths, Wirraways, CT4's over the many years. Just like you start your car. By using a read and do checklist for ab-initio the students became addicted to the checklist to tell what to do next.
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Old 21st Jan 2013, 08:07
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Sorry Leadie,
under threat from CASA to my livelihood and that of others I am unable to comment on this forum.
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Old 21st Jan 2013, 17:47
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Not to say it wouldn't work, but the military does tend to adopt the sink or swim approach (motivation) and with students that have shown some aptitude.
That being said, once the basics of which knob does what are understood, the transition to scanning follows very shortly.
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flow is the key

About checklist use, I think an average flow is better than a great checklist. There are a huge number of checklist items to be checked AFTER the cabin door is closed in our B1900D for example. That's not too great when the cabin temp is hovering near 100 degrees F and the pax are restless to get some AC going. We finally got approved to use a home brewed checklist that got the job done much faster, and in my opinion much safer, and life was better for a while. Still, I knew of a better way to do it, but alas couldn't get a signoff for it from higher ups, so we use the checklist when the big wigs are on board and use CIGAARR when they are not (Controls (box the stick, check and set the flaps), Instruments (gyros, ASI, VSI, mag compass, on both sides), Gas (mains and aux's), Attitude (trims set), Airplane (check all annunciators on the master warning and caution panels), Runup (runup complete and autofeather on), Radios (NAVs/COMMs set, departure briefed including v speeds).
I can get from battery on to the runway, ready to go, in under four minutes without hurrying. Using the approved Beech checklist, it's much longer and very easy to miss items because the damn checklist is just too long and has no flow to it whatsoever.
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