BOM Draft TAF review

[T28D]

Bus Driver HOW then bound by copyright and unavailable give us at least an authority that isclose to the mark to support this.

[OZBUSDRIVER]

That was a bit cryptic, T28D. Care to have another go?

If an explanation on my part. A company pays for a TAF service at a specific location. Would that company then be able to claim exclusive use of that data. Precedence has already been set with NPAs commissioned for the sole use of specific companies(realise that majority of these are for EMS choppers but there are a few mine company plates)

After all.....if this data is operational as opposed for safety...why should company A fork out and then freely give out that information to competitor companies B or C?

[Old Akro]

I think the answer is that it depends. Paying for information does not transfer copyright. If I buy a music CD, I do not get copyright. In this instance the contract could be written either way. If BoM retains copyright then they would be selling a copy of the data, renting access to the data or any number of mechanisms.

I just think that a 1st world country should have this infrastructure and it should be provided freely. I think it is one of the differentiators between 3rd world and 1st world countries.

[drpixie]

Stuff to consider:

• TAFs are largely computer generated - the cost is essentially the cost of the weather station (can't cost must to have the computer extract a forecast for one additional location).
• BOM say the cost of ensuring the 78 TAFs is weather station costs - that's about 7m. With what CASA/Airservices do with our money, Shirley they could divert 7m from something else
• BOM are talking about a "review" - that does include reorganisation with additional services or improvements at some locations (fair enough)
• The TAF review started in 2009
• A TAF serving a single industry (mining?) might not get funded. But Hamilton Island is getting one - history, or someone's mates?

Got to agree with Old Akro - weather stations accessible by phone are pretty much useless. I almost never get usable mobile signal in the air; and knowing the weather when I departed, hours ago, is pointless.

[Nautilus Blue]

Paying for information does not transfer copyright. If I buy a music CD, I do not get copyright.

In this case though you are paying got the resources to produce the information, and there are no intellectual property issues. If I paid for a recording studio and the musicians to record something in the public domain, I would expect ownership fo the finished product.

Presumably if company A stumps up for a TAF service, and company B also wants TAF's later on, they pay for half the initial cost and half the ongoing from then on, and company A gets refunded.

ETA - actually that wouldn't work because TAF's are available to all free of charge once issued.

With what CASA/Airservices do with our money, Shirley they could divert 7m from something else

Three completely separate entities, all operating cost recovery. Whether thats the way it should be is a whole other argument.

[Seagull V]

The BOM published the final TAF Review earlier this month.
See TAF Review

[Horatio Leafblower]

Makes perfect sense.

Remove the TAF for those aerodromes which are most remote and will therefore require the carriage of the most alternate fuel.

Nice one

[Pinky the pilot]

Does tend to make one wonder, doesn't it Horatio?

The only conclusion I can reach is that in the Aviation bureaucracy that is CASA, ASA or whatever, there is not a single person who has any idea of what they are doing!

[Howard Hughes]

Are we still expected to pay NAV charges when operating to an aerodrome with no TAF?

[catseye]

BOM wx sort criteria.

In the early days of the review there was considerable discussion within most parts of industry to ensure not much adverse effect. a sliding scale was discussed where fuel, navaids review and GPS approach availability, AWS, wx and runway lighting was used to ensure the requirements of both rpt and ems were met . In NSW for example forbes lost out as no AWS, no jet a and no rpt but Parkes was kept. Bathurst also stayed due to the large number of trainers which in those days( a couple of years ago ) services Bankstown cross country trainers.

Some upper hunter valley locations were also kept due to the significance for IFR EMS operations. I think Scone fell into this bucket.

BoM acted fairly quickly to identify some locations vis eastern end of Torres Strait where the installation of an AWS would be of significant benefit to IFR operations and particularly IFR ems helos. The installation was done with a combination of aviation and public wx money. The public wx input was for cyclone monitoring.

happy to discuss further offline. No I don't work for the Bom

[Sunfish]

point cook and Laverton are no loss since we still have Essendon, Avalon and Moorrabbin TAF's.

[Creampuff]

Probably a different "Laverton" to the one you're thinking it is, S.

[Slippery_Pete]

I could make up a TAF and post it for each aerodrome for $1k per month. Bound to be just as accurate.

Exactly, SWH.

The last 5 years in particular has shown a HUGE decline in the quality of TAFs.

[Howard Hughes]

I could make up a TAF and post it for each aerodrome for $1k per month.

In the top end don't they only have two TAF's for the year anyway?

[Flying Binghi]

The sheer incompetence, corruption and waste of the BOM is astounding.

Stop funding the global warming scam and a few billion government dollars would be freed up over night.

The BOM wont give up the global warming gravy train easy though...


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[Pinky the pilot]

The sheer incompetence, corruption and waste of the BOM is astounding.

Anyone else remember the recent story about the BoM having 'homogenised' some temperature observations which effectively converted what was a slight cooling over a number of years to a slight warming?