Experimental Maintenance Requirements
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Experimental Maintenance Requirements
I noticed in a recent thread there is mention of CASA implementing new policies with regards maintenance of experimental aircraft. Does anyone have any further info on this? I have plans to build my own aircraft and I would be really annoyed if CASA then turn around and rule I cant maintain it myself
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PM me with your details, phone number and email, and I will get you on the straight and level.
Whatever you read and what you made of it clearly needs correcting.
PM me with your details, phone number and email, and I will get you on the straight and level.
Whatever you read and what you made of it clearly needs correcting.
CASA is considering a move on this but it wont affect most owners, it will only be an advantage to LAME's that are builder/owners of experimental aircraft. It means we wont have to fork out for a very expensive course to do what we do every day.
Jaba,
I suggest you talk to somebody who was at the AWAL AGM.
I also suggest you have a look at what is proposed as changes for Experimental Amateur Built maintenance, particularly for aircraft built by more than one person.
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I suggest you talk to somebody who was at the AWAL AGM.
I also suggest you have a look at what is proposed as changes for Experimental Amateur Built maintenance, particularly for aircraft built by more than one person.
Tootle pip!!
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Don't listen to rumours from the 60's, it's all in here:
http://casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/ma...aap-42zc-2.pdf
http://casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/ma...aap-42zc-2.pdf
What motive? What benefit would AWAL gain with control of experimental maintenance? Noting there are very few owners of warbird experimental registered aeroplanes that do not already have their own facilities.
The logic of the argument defies me.
The logic of the argument defies me.
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no, a c152 would still be 24 or factory built rego under Raaus, and therefor still require an L2 maintainer to do the work.
152's are too heavy for RA-Aus registration. Only early model 150's made it in.... just.
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OZ The logic of the argument defies me.
Me too but that is on the agenda along with compulsory annual re registration fees to AWAL , my take is they need the money so cast a bigger net.
Time to ditch warbirds in my view and my experimental Aircraft is on the market now.
Me too but that is on the agenda along with compulsory annual re registration fees to AWAL , my take is they need the money so cast a bigger net.
Time to ditch warbirds in my view and my experimental Aircraft is on the market now.
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no, a c152 would still be 24 or factory built rego under Raaus, and therefor still require an L2 maintainer to do the work.
Obviously, if you ever hope to sell your 24 aircraft to a school after you are done with it - better have it L2 maintained!
The 150s on the RA-Aus register are 19 because they were taken apart far enough and modified (lightened) to the point where the tech manager was willing to class them as owner-built.
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We will soon find out Bas if they are able to be legally registered again. Some time in the next 11 months as all rego's are renewed!
It seems that there is still a massive backlog of registrations that RA-Aus haven't processed yet.
It seems that there is still a massive backlog of registrations that RA-Aus haven't processed yet.
I already have my MPC and nothing I read in the draft CAAP was inconsistent with what I was taught at the course. I satisfied myself that I could maintain the aircraft before I even bought the kit.
Furthermore, the draft also allows maintenance of a purchased aircraft if it is similar to what you built and you apply for an exemption.
Furthermore, the draft also allows maintenance of a purchased aircraft if it is similar to what you built and you apply for an exemption.
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Oh and by the way...
is a perfectly valid comment. This could happen. A lot of things could happen and it certainly IS a risk, much to the dismay of everyone involved.
It's a little bit like the RA-Aus woes at present. They effectively can't renew the rego's of aircraft, but nobody saw that coming either.
I would be really annoyed if CASA then turn around and rule I cant maintain it myself
It's a little bit like the RA-Aus woes at present. They effectively can't renew the rego's of aircraft, but nobody saw that coming either.
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From the latest AWAL bulletin:
CASA is determined to limit the Experimental category to the purposes it was originally designed for, that is, aircraft used for R&D, aircraft having handling characteristics determined, and aircraft used only for air racing. We’ve agreed to take on admin of aircraft not covered by those parameters.
CASA is determined to limit the Experimental category to the purposes it was originally designed for, that is, aircraft used for R&D, aircraft having handling characteristics determined, and aircraft used only for air racing. We’ve agreed to take on admin of aircraft not covered by those parameters.
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Not quite correct. The issue of Experimental certificates is for many more purposes. The CASA/AWAL issue relates to operation of Warbirds for which the Limited categiry was established.
21.191 Experimental certificates
An experimental certificate may be issued for one or more of the following purposes:
(a) research and development: for example testing new aircraft design concepts, new aircraft equipment, new aircraft installations, new aircraft operating techniques, or new uses for aircraft;
(b) showing compliance with regulations: for example conducting flight tests and other operations to show compliance with the airworthiness regulations including flights to show compliance for issue of type and supplemental type certificates, flights to substantiate major design changes, and flights to show compliance with the function and reliability requirements of the regulations;
(c) training the applicant’s flight crew;
(d) exhibition: for example exhibiting the aircraft’s flight capabilities, performance, or unusual characteristics at air shows, motion picture, television, and similar productions, and the maintenance of exhibition flight proficiency, including (for persons exhibiting aircraft) flying to and from such air shows and productions;
(e) air racing: for example participating in air races, including (for participants) practising for air races and flying to and from racing events;
(f) market surveys: for example use of aircraft for purposes of conducting market surveys, sales demonstrations, and customer crew training only as provided in regulation 21.195;
(g) operating an amateur‑built aircraft: that is an aircraft the major portion of which has been fabricated and assembled by a person who undertook the construction project solely for the person’s own education or recreation;
(h) operating a kit‑built aircraft: that is an aircraft in the primary category that meets the criteria of paragraph 21.024 (1) (a) and that was assembled by a person from a kit manufactured by the holder of a production certificate for that kit, without the supervision and quality control of the production certificate holder under subregulation 21.184 (1);
(i) private operations of prototype aircraft previously certificated under paragraph 21.191 (a), (b) or (d);
(j) operating a light sport aircraft that:
(i) has been assembled from a kit in relation to which the applicant can give the information, statement and documents required by paragraph 21.193 (e); and
(ii) has been assembled in accordance with the kit manufacturer’s instructions for assembling the aircraft; and
(iii) is of the same make and model as a production aircraft covered by regulation 21.186 that has been issued with a special certificate of airworthiness;
(k) operating any other light sport aircraft covered by regulation 21.186 for which a special certificate of airworthiness for light sport aircraft, or another document of similar effect under a law of a Contracting State, has been issued.
Not quite correct. The issue of Experimental certificates is for many more purposes. The CASA/AWAL issue relates to operation of Warbirds for which the Limited categiry was established.
21.191 Experimental certificates
An experimental certificate may be issued for one or more of the following purposes:
(a) research and development: for example testing new aircraft design concepts, new aircraft equipment, new aircraft installations, new aircraft operating techniques, or new uses for aircraft;
(b) showing compliance with regulations: for example conducting flight tests and other operations to show compliance with the airworthiness regulations including flights to show compliance for issue of type and supplemental type certificates, flights to substantiate major design changes, and flights to show compliance with the function and reliability requirements of the regulations;
(c) training the applicant’s flight crew;
(d) exhibition: for example exhibiting the aircraft’s flight capabilities, performance, or unusual characteristics at air shows, motion picture, television, and similar productions, and the maintenance of exhibition flight proficiency, including (for persons exhibiting aircraft) flying to and from such air shows and productions;
(e) air racing: for example participating in air races, including (for participants) practising for air races and flying to and from racing events;
(f) market surveys: for example use of aircraft for purposes of conducting market surveys, sales demonstrations, and customer crew training only as provided in regulation 21.195;
(g) operating an amateur‑built aircraft: that is an aircraft the major portion of which has been fabricated and assembled by a person who undertook the construction project solely for the person’s own education or recreation;
(h) operating a kit‑built aircraft: that is an aircraft in the primary category that meets the criteria of paragraph 21.024 (1) (a) and that was assembled by a person from a kit manufactured by the holder of a production certificate for that kit, without the supervision and quality control of the production certificate holder under subregulation 21.184 (1);
(i) private operations of prototype aircraft previously certificated under paragraph 21.191 (a), (b) or (d);
(j) operating a light sport aircraft that:
(i) has been assembled from a kit in relation to which the applicant can give the information, statement and documents required by paragraph 21.193 (e); and
(ii) has been assembled in accordance with the kit manufacturer’s instructions for assembling the aircraft; and
(iii) is of the same make and model as a production aircraft covered by regulation 21.186 that has been issued with a special certificate of airworthiness;
(k) operating any other light sport aircraft covered by regulation 21.186 for which a special certificate of airworthiness for light sport aircraft, or another document of similar effect under a law of a Contracting State, has been issued.