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So if I complete the build of this aircraft, I am now required to fit ADSB - OUT equipment if I want to use it in C or E or above Ten thousand feet in class G by Feb 2014?
...And it all has to be TSO'd and installed by an Electronics LAME, maybe even with a detailed design to be done.
......And nothing American made for VFR will be allowed because we don't do TIS-B or UAT.
.....So I'm stuck with buying $10,000 worth of Garmin ****. (ES transponder and TSO compliant GPS)
....And I still don't even get ADS -B IN capability with that, and since I fly VFR I get no traffic separation service anyway. Total value to me = zero.
This is getting more surreal by the minute. There is going to have to be a decision point shortly about wether to bother with this project any more. I'll finish the last wing before Christmas. leaving only the fuselage to be done. I may not even start that.
...And it all has to be TSO'd and installed by an Electronics LAME, maybe even with a detailed design to be done.
......And nothing American made for VFR will be allowed because we don't do TIS-B or UAT.
.....So I'm stuck with buying $10,000 worth of Garmin ****. (ES transponder and TSO compliant GPS)
....And I still don't even get ADS -B IN capability with that, and since I fly VFR I get no traffic separation service anyway. Total value to me = zero.
This is getting more surreal by the minute. There is going to have to be a decision point shortly about wether to bother with this project any more. I'll finish the last wing before Christmas. leaving only the fuselage to be done. I may not even start that.
Last edited by Sunfish; 20th Nov 2012 at 21:55.
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Fathom, I put a high value on my own life, but the danger to me is other VFR aircraft, not IFR or RPT since they get traffic separation. I don't get that from other VFR and unless I fit ADSB -In and the other guy is fitted with ADS B out (which isnt mandatory) then total value to me = zero.
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Jaba, I'm just about done with it. I can find the trig transponders. I'm very familiar with NMEA and then some, but I'm stuffed if I can find anything worthwhile about TSOd gps under 8000, unless there is some piece of crap made by king that doesn't interface to anything useful
I had hoped to use an all Dynon solution, but once that vanishes all I'm left with is a very very expensive Garmin system. I won't touch MGL for the reason that membrane switch technology is both highly unreliable and very short lived - I used to run a company that manufactured that stuff and it doesn't matter if you use the best quality materials, the switch domes eventually fatigue.
Trawling the Internet does SFA because no one cares about Australia and what there is is either speculative BS written Two years ago or howls of rage.
I had hoped to use an all Dynon solution, but once that vanishes all I'm left with is a very very expensive Garmin system. I won't touch MGL for the reason that membrane switch technology is both highly unreliable and very short lived - I used to run a company that manufactured that stuff and it doesn't matter if you use the best quality materials, the switch domes eventually fatigue.
Trawling the Internet does SFA because no one cares about Australia and what there is is either speculative BS written Two years ago or howls of rage.
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Now for your needs.....for now and into the future, just install the TRIG transponder that integrates with the Dynon sky view.
Simple as that. Problem solved.
I do know but not at liberty to discuss publicly what is potentially coming from Dynon, not that you have to do it, but when it becomes available the option would be attractive indeed. So you are future proofed I believe.
As previously, I have offered to help but you have resisted the temptation so far.
Anyway..... your doom and gloom is not such. Cheaper to put in the TRIG than buy a GTX327, so go mode S and all is good
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Now for your needs.....for now and into the future, just install the TRIG transponder that integrates with the Dynon sky view.
Simple as that. Problem solved.
I do know but not at liberty to discuss publicly what is potentially coming from Dynon, not that you have to do it, but when it becomes available the option would be attractive indeed. So you are future proofed I believe.
As previously, I have offered to help but you have resisted the temptation so far.
Anyway..... your doom and gloom is not such. Cheaper to put in the TRIG than buy a GTX327, so go mode S and all is good
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So let me get this straight....
You're gonna take this bad-boy upwards of 10,000 ft?
You're gonna not want to be heading generally west as those altitudes Sunny Jim
You're gonna take this bad-boy upwards of 10,000 ft?
You're gonna not want to be heading generally west as those altitudes Sunny Jim
if I want to use it in C or E or above Ten thousand feet in class G by Feb 2014?
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$10,000 worth of Garmin ****
Garmin ****?You deserve a good kick up the arse with a size 12 Blundstone.
What **** have you put in your plane that is better than Garmin?
I have no solution for you Sunny but I am genuinely surprised that ten thousand dollars would get your attention. After reading your many posts about high level executive management strategy, and the companies you have managed at an executive level I had pictured you rolling in filthy lucre and ordering the best of everything for your aircraft. Anyway, good luck.
Don't forget Apollo
I agree with Jack, Garmin is definitely not rubbish, however, I will agree its not cheap.
Actually Sunny, what do you expect your mission profile to be when you get your project finished?
You dont actually need all of the stuff that costs buckets of money. The most valuable piece of equipment in a homebuilt aircraft that is flying the mission profiles that are likely to be flown in such an aircraft is..............the mark one eyeball.
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Don't forget Apollo
Errrr, Garmin.
Don't forget Apollo
Errrr, Garmin.
Garmin couldn't build it themselves so they bought the company. The CNX80 ran rings around the Garmin units. While it might be branded Garmin now I wouldn't consider it Garmin. There's no Garmin input into its' design or manufacture. Apollo's earlier units weren't too shabby in their day either.
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King, Sandia, Becker.
How about some non-certified gear that compares to Garmin, sport?
I believe that's what old cock was complaining about........
Last edited by Jack Ranga; 21st Nov 2012 at 08:36.
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Panic over.
1. Re read the ASA FAQ and I just need the ES transponder, not the $$$$$$$ RAIM GPS.
2. Garmin isn't ****, I have Three of their GPS already. What annoys me is the vendor lock in marketing practiced by some American companies.
3. Framer, What I want is value for money. I would be delighted to fit adsb in and out if I can find a cost effective solution.
1. Re read the ASA FAQ and I just need the ES transponder, not the $$$$$$$ RAIM GPS.
2. Garmin isn't ****, I have Three of their GPS already. What annoys me is the vendor lock in marketing practiced by some American companies.
3. Framer, What I want is value for money. I would be delighted to fit adsb in and out if I can find a cost effective solution.
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Thanks for your advice Jaba, I'm going nuts trying to work my way through the avionics maze.
I have been this way before - in marine systems, where I run vector and raster charts on a PC that gets wind speed and direction, gyro augmented magnetic heading, GPS data and feeds it all to an autopilot that adjusts for current and speed. The system also computes true wind speed and direction, velocity made good, leeway and a stack of other stuff.
The great lesson I learned was the truth in the old saying: "the man with one watch always knows what time it is, the man with Two watches is never quite sure."
The skyview system doesn't yet do ads b inwards on 1090 but I guess it one day will and it appears to offer an relatively straight forward development path.
I.m looking at using the vertical power electrical management system which integrates with the Skyview as well as a separate radio and transponder.
One possibility might be to get the Garmin 430 and be done with it - use it to feed the Skyview and the transponder for full Adsb out as well as provide nav functionality and backup moving map.
That leaves the single point of failure as the vertical power unit.
If that goes, the Rotax 912Is keeps running(I think, assuming the fuel pump power fails over to its second alternator along with the injection). I lose c/s prop control (no big deal) and I am Back to my steam gauge altimeter, airspeed and magnetic compass I've just purchased......what could possibly go wrong
I have been this way before - in marine systems, where I run vector and raster charts on a PC that gets wind speed and direction, gyro augmented magnetic heading, GPS data and feeds it all to an autopilot that adjusts for current and speed. The system also computes true wind speed and direction, velocity made good, leeway and a stack of other stuff.
The great lesson I learned was the truth in the old saying: "the man with one watch always knows what time it is, the man with Two watches is never quite sure."
The skyview system doesn't yet do ads b inwards on 1090 but I guess it one day will and it appears to offer an relatively straight forward development path.
I.m looking at using the vertical power electrical management system which integrates with the Skyview as well as a separate radio and transponder.
One possibility might be to get the Garmin 430 and be done with it - use it to feed the Skyview and the transponder for full Adsb out as well as provide nav functionality and backup moving map.
That leaves the single point of failure as the vertical power unit.
If that goes, the Rotax 912Is keeps running(I think, assuming the fuel pump power fails over to its second alternator along with the injection). I lose c/s prop control (no big deal) and I am Back to my steam gauge altimeter, airspeed and magnetic compass I've just purchased......what could possibly go wrong
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