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KevinSky, While I agree with your sentiment, I don't agree with, "It will also handle slightly bigger waves."
A Beaver can take much bigger, though the Whip Anphibs are not good in big water though. Surprisingly, EDO 4930's straights can take much bigger.
(Talking open ocean swell here)
A Beaver can take much bigger, though the Whip Anphibs are not good in big water though. Surprisingly, EDO 4930's straights can take much bigger.
(Talking open ocean swell here)
Not much of a useful contribution to the discussion, but when the late Vic Walton was giving me some tips on payload when I had my own Beaver (IDQ) on line with him at Palm Beach, one memorable morning he snarled as the sea began lapping the float decks - 'Listen, I told you before muggins, if she'll float she'll fly.'
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Fantome what happened to your beaver? I found pictures of it on the roof of a container in pieces??
Another question folks, do casa grant approvals for pilots to give specific ratings without having an instructor rating? For instance could an experienced float guy obtain an approval to conduct float ratings without an instrctor rating?
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Another question folks, do casa grant approvals for pilots to give specific ratings without having an instructor rating? For instance could an experienced float guy obtain an approval to conduct float ratings without an instrctor rating?
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Kevin, you should come over to Australia and we'll show you what the Beaver can handle 
The Beaver will take chop that would see stuff falling off a Cessna left right and centre. As Fantome mentioned, the EDO's will take more than the Wipaires, I hear the PK's are quite good at handling the chop too.
But back on topic, Rocket, I'd seriously look at operating a straight float beaver, the insurance excesses, the hours you will need to pay for to get insurable on an amphib might make any investment in getting a custom trailer and dock hire seem insignificant.
Also, straight floaties will simply carry more.
To put it in context (actual figures)
Amphib with Wipaires - useful load 573KG
Straight float Beaver with EDO's - useful load 895KG
Both burn ~100L per hour, so throw yourself (guessing you're ~85kg) in there and fill the front tank (132L) gives you 394KG and 701KG respectively.
Unless you're moving some very small asians, gymnasts or children you won't fill all 7 seats on an amphib. The Straighty on the other hand will almost always become too tight for any persons that would exceed the weight limit (forgetting about rear CoG issues).
The same could be said for straight float 185 or 206 vs. amphib Beaver, the numbers aren't going to swing too far in to the Beavers favor.
Just my two cents
The Beaver will take chop that would see stuff falling off a Cessna left right and centre. As Fantome mentioned, the EDO's will take more than the Wipaires, I hear the PK's are quite good at handling the chop too.
But back on topic, Rocket, I'd seriously look at operating a straight float beaver, the insurance excesses, the hours you will need to pay for to get insurable on an amphib might make any investment in getting a custom trailer and dock hire seem insignificant.
Also, straight floaties will simply carry more.
To put it in context (actual figures)
Amphib with Wipaires - useful load 573KG
Straight float Beaver with EDO's - useful load 895KG
Both burn ~100L per hour, so throw yourself (guessing you're ~85kg) in there and fill the front tank (132L) gives you 394KG and 701KG respectively.
Unless you're moving some very small asians, gymnasts or children you won't fill all 7 seats on an amphib. The Straighty on the other hand will almost always become too tight for any persons that would exceed the weight limit (forgetting about rear CoG issues).
The same could be said for straight float 185 or 206 vs. amphib Beaver, the numbers aren't going to swing too far in to the Beavers favor.
Just my two cents
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Further to ipahlot, that amphib figure is for no 5600lb increase. ZDA and AWI are both increased weight machines and can get another 100+ kgs.
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Further to ipahlot, that amphib figure is for no 5600lb increase. ZDA and AWI are both increased weight machines and can get another 100+ kgs.
Just to clarify, those figures were based on a straight float Beaver with a MTOW of 2495 and an Amphib of 2435.
Now we of course could get in to another discussion of Beavers with various uplift kits, firewall mods, door mods, floats etc, but that sounds more like a conversation one would have to have over a few beers
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So guys what does one have to do to apply for such a rating?? Just phone CASA and pay some proverbial fee or is there training syllabus to submit for approval etc etc then a test flight etc etc before they give you the aplroval??
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Rocket, I'm not certain of the complete process but know someone that was looking at it and you are pretty much on the money. You'll need to come up with a training syllabus, apply to CASA for a training approval and have it all added to your AOC and Ops manual, then a test with an FOI plus renewals.
There are a few members on this forum that'll be more qualified to answer the question in more detail. Or if you were really serious you could just pick up the phone and talk to CASA?
There are a few members on this forum that'll be more qualified to answer the question in more detail. Or if you were really serious you could just pick up the phone and talk to CASA?
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Hi all
I thought I would revive this thread since it has been a while. I am still hunting around for a DHC2 with a set of amphibs. If anyone knows of one around please shoot me a PM. They're super difficult to get a hold of here in Aus unless you have the funds to buy one.
Alternatively, if anyone is interested in buying one for us to lease please shoot us a message
Cheers
rocket
I thought I would revive this thread since it has been a while. I am still hunting around for a DHC2 with a set of amphibs. If anyone knows of one around please shoot me a PM. They're super difficult to get a hold of here in Aus unless you have the funds to buy one.
Alternatively, if anyone is interested in buying one for us to lease please shoot us a message
Cheers
rocket
