Turbulent Times for Light Aircraft in Tasmania
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How are the charter operators going down there? The news piece indicates Par Avion/Airlines of Tassie are taking over training. Can't be all bad....can it?
Are there any other charter mobs in Tassie? How are they travelling?
Are there any other charter mobs in Tassie? How are they travelling?
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"All aboloshed and demolished to appease the Greens"
Isnt that line getting a bit old now....
Isnt that line getting a bit old now....
Now now Frankie, the Greens will go the way of the Democrats when the Labs and Libs can see eye to eye and work together, after all their policies are identical. Pity they are such a bunch of egotistical rabble that this is impossible.
You folk that say GA is in decline have forgotton one thing ... RAA. Here is where all the private pilots are going and for good reason, its fun affordable and sensibly run. A GA student application runs to about 15 pages, a RAA equivilant is just a single page. The planes are new, the rules are simple and there is a comerarderie that GA has never had. If there was no RAA, aero clubs around the country would, in all likelyhood still be muddling through. My guess is that in 10 years GA will be over caput but for a small handful of savvy operators.
You folk that say GA is in decline have forgotton one thing ... RAA. Here is where all the private pilots are going and for good reason, its fun affordable and sensibly run. A GA student application runs to about 15 pages, a RAA equivilant is just a single page. The planes are new, the rules are simple and there is a comerarderie that GA has never had. If there was no RAA, aero clubs around the country would, in all likelyhood still be muddling through. My guess is that in 10 years GA will be over caput but for a small handful of savvy operators.
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Jaba - now that Gunns is out of ammo, and the greens are in compost mode thanks largely to the melons, i reckon there's a big opening coming up to run the place.
There has to be some potential there, what with all that renewable energy (they burn it in copious quantities on a personal basis) now going to rot on the hillsides.
Only wee problem I see is that you needed to have an alternative lifestyle or be on fed social security to get in on the top rung.
Help me out here, i'm only interested in whats best for the Taswegians
There has to be some potential there, what with all that renewable energy (they burn it in copious quantities on a personal basis) now going to rot on the hillsides.
Only wee problem I see is that you needed to have an alternative lifestyle or be on fed social security to get in on the top rung.
Help me out here, i'm only interested in whats best for the Taswegians
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Unfortunately aviation has slowly been pushed further and further onto the back burner of political conciousness since the beginning of the seventies.
I count myself lucky to have experienced its best years which were brought about by a lingering concern generated by the second world war, where the country was caught without a pool of aviators to man the fighters and bombers. When I started flying the government even provided scholarships
for flying training to generate that pool
Once that concern diminished as the years past the support for aviation went with it.
The industry also suffered from a regulator which had its roots in the military, so without the "Foster and Promote" ethos apparent in the FAA
which was formed from the civilian side, they did what regulators do, stifle innovation and enterprise rather than encourage and assist.
All our early aviation pioneers who we so revered would today be branded "Not fit and Proper persons", we literally chased any chance of developing a viable industry away, much the same as Great Britain did.
Turning the regulator into a Government "Profit Centre" put the final nail in the coffin, along with a certain arrogance so apparent across many Australian bureaucracies that all the rest of the world is wrong..we are right, this has opened the door for the sub industries to make the money not aviation itself. The "Security industry" the "OH&S industry" the airports all feed off aviation driving up cost and of course the regulator itself imposes a huge burden.
I was browsing a recent catelog of US charter operators which listed their hourly rates for charter. In some cases their rates were three times cheaper than the equivalent in Australia, there are limits to what people will pay for a service and I fear Australia has reached that point, we are so "safe" now that nobody can afford us. Funnily enough for all the impositions we still have a long way to go to match the USA for safety.
Poor Tassie being on the extremity, is experiencing the law of diminishing returns a bit earlier, Its all very sad.
I count myself lucky to have experienced its best years which were brought about by a lingering concern generated by the second world war, where the country was caught without a pool of aviators to man the fighters and bombers. When I started flying the government even provided scholarships
for flying training to generate that pool
Once that concern diminished as the years past the support for aviation went with it.
The industry also suffered from a regulator which had its roots in the military, so without the "Foster and Promote" ethos apparent in the FAA
which was formed from the civilian side, they did what regulators do, stifle innovation and enterprise rather than encourage and assist.
All our early aviation pioneers who we so revered would today be branded "Not fit and Proper persons", we literally chased any chance of developing a viable industry away, much the same as Great Britain did.
Turning the regulator into a Government "Profit Centre" put the final nail in the coffin, along with a certain arrogance so apparent across many Australian bureaucracies that all the rest of the world is wrong..we are right, this has opened the door for the sub industries to make the money not aviation itself. The "Security industry" the "OH&S industry" the airports all feed off aviation driving up cost and of course the regulator itself imposes a huge burden.
I was browsing a recent catelog of US charter operators which listed their hourly rates for charter. In some cases their rates were three times cheaper than the equivalent in Australia, there are limits to what people will pay for a service and I fear Australia has reached that point, we are so "safe" now that nobody can afford us. Funnily enough for all the impositions we still have a long way to go to match the USA for safety.
Poor Tassie being on the extremity, is experiencing the law of diminishing returns a bit earlier, Its all very sad.
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"TB" couldn't agree with you more there
I too am glad I am on the tail-end of an industry that is now pretty much stuffed with little security. I saw & had a great time coming up thru the ranks when Australia was a proud country with a strong aviation industry but like our manufacturing industry it's all but gone thru greed & progress,the latter not always a good thing
"Common Sense Party" hey Jaba?...........it'll fail miserably mate due lack of same.
I think Tassie is a lovely place with YFLI being one of the most unspoilt spots
around.
Wmk2
I too am glad I am on the tail-end of an industry that is now pretty much stuffed with little security. I saw & had a great time coming up thru the ranks when Australia was a proud country with a strong aviation industry but like our manufacturing industry it's all but gone thru greed & progress,the latter not always a good thing"Common Sense Party" hey Jaba?...........it'll fail miserably mate due lack of same.
I think Tassie is a lovely place with YFLI being one of the most unspoilt spots
around.
Wmk2
Thought bubble!
SDD, the new CSP Premier of Taswegia! Kilkennys all round, no steaks thinner than an inch and the only greens are local produce on your plate
Have to work on Cascade to produce a local drop as good.
SDD, the new CSP Premier of Taswegia! Kilkennys all round, no steaks thinner than an inch
and the only greens are local produce on your plateHave to work on Cascade to produce a local drop as good.
The Greens have much a stronger ideological basis than the Dems so will probably be harder to dislodge. The issues that are their bread and butter such as climate change, the Murray and general environmental degradation aren't going away any time soon, so neither will they.
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I'm in.
OZBUS # 30 - Kilkenny all round, no steaks thinner than an inch and the only greens are local produce on your plate.
Oh pick me.
Last edited by Kharon; 15th Oct 2012 at 06:13. Reason: Shut it Minnie, it's a love match made in heaven.
